tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post114615372599110535..comments2024-03-25T16:03:36.810-07:00Comments on The Existentialist Cowboy: More Bush Lies: Bush's Transparent Dodge ExposedAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04598093941551759917noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-1146189325329433852006-04-27T18:55:00.000-07:002006-04-27T18:55:00.000-07:00My sentiments exactly Len. One consolation in all ...My sentiments exactly Len. One consolation in all of this is the growing public awareness of the criminality of this administration in general and the torture and rendition crimes in particular. Hopefully these matters will not be allowed to fade.<BR/><BR/>I've only just noticed that there is a great article on the US endorsed terrorism against Cuba at <A HREF="http://www.counterpunch.org/pertierra04272006.html" REL="nofollow">CounterPunch</A> that may also interest you readers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-1146187304723368732006-04-27T18:21:00.000-07:002006-04-27T18:21:00.000-07:00damien, if anyone will begin organizing an interna...damien, if anyone will begin organizing an international effort to bring Bush and his merry band of perverts to trial for Nuremberg and Geneva violations, I will support it any way I can. If no one else organizes it, I will do the best I can with limited resources. <BR/><BR/>The promise of the Nuremberg war crimes trials was that it —"it" being a holocaust —would never happen again. <BR/><BR/>But it has and will continue to happen as long as people are complacent. Bush and Cheney effectively shut down any real investigation of 911, they must not be allowed to get away with capital crimes.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04598093941551759917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-1146185641684428172006-04-27T17:54:00.000-07:002006-04-27T17:54:00.000-07:00It's interesting to compare this with the US tream...It's interesting to compare this with the US treament of terrorists Orlando Bosch and Luis Posada Carilles, partners in the Oct 1976 bombing of a Cuban airliner that killed 73 people. (Carrilles used to work with Barry Seal and Porter Goss in Operation 40 which may have killed JFK, amongst other things.)<BR/><BR/>This from <A HREF="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12819.htm" REL="nofollow">William Blum</A>:<BR/><BR/><EM> Bosch had a partner in plotting the bombing of the Cuban airliner, Luis Posada, a Cuban-born citizen of Venezuela. He's being held in custody in the United States on a minor immigration charge. His extradition has been requested by Venezuela for several crimes including the downing of the airliner, part of the plotting having taken place in Venezuela. But the Bush administration refuses to send him to Venezuela because they don't like the Venezuelan government, nor will they try him in the United States for the crime. However, the Convention for the Suppression of Unlawful Acts Against the Safety of Civil Aviation (1973), of which the United States is a signatory, gives Washington no discretion. Article 7 says that the state in which "the alleged offender is found shall, if it does not extradite him, be obliged, without exception whatsoever and whether or not the offence was committed in its territory, to submit the case to its competent authorities for the purpose of prosecution."(10) Extradite or prosecute. The United States does neither.</EM><BR/><BR/>So the Geneva convention is just one of a number of international agreements now seen by the US to be discretionary in regard to alleged terrorists.<BR/><BR/>The Hague is waiting...but it's a long way off.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-1146167631448044602006-04-27T12:53:00.000-07:002006-04-27T12:53:00.000-07:00I agree...torture has never been a reliable method...I agree...torture has never been a reliable method of obtaining information. In medieval and Elizabethan times, it was a no win situation for the torture victim anyway. One was tortured until confessing to capital crimes and upon confession were tortured until dead. <BR/><BR/>Cruelty seems especially virulent in the reigns of Edward I, Elizabeth I and other English monarchs where the accused was often denied the right of defense. The accused was tortured until confessing. Execution often consisted of public hanging till near death, disembowlment while still alive, and, at last, dismemberment. Tragically, it was form of public entertainment. <BR/><BR/>Elizabeth was an early practioner of "outsourcing" torture. In her time, special cases were tortured —not in the Tower —but in Richard Topcliffe's private residence in London. He kept his windows shuttered against prying eyes. <BR/><BR/>It's too easy to dismiss Topcliffe as a raving psycho whose writings support the theory that he indulged sexual fantasies about the body of the Queen herself even as he tortured her enemies on her behalf. It must be pointed out that U.S. torture at Abu Ghraib was tinged with more than "bit" of sexual deviance. This stuff was just sick and utterly disgusting. <BR/><BR/>I rather suspect that torture has nothing to do with getting reliable information. The growing body of evidence (read everything Seymour Hersh has written on this) supports the idea that the perverted U.S. torture policy is the policy of two men: George W. Bush and his fellow pervert: Donnie Rumsfeld. After all, for whom were all those pictures taken?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04598093941551759917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-1146163894761067402006-04-27T11:51:00.000-07:002006-04-27T11:51:00.000-07:00In addition to the fact that these "renditions" vi...In addition to the fact that these "renditions" violate the Geneva Convention, I really don't see how they can generate any reliable intelligence (and isn't it typical of Bushco to ruin other countries' information-gathering activities by stomping around like the proverbial bull in the china shop, such as what we did with Italy as noted in the BBC story?).<BR/><BR/>(By the way, you should check your "Europe Knew About CIA Flights" link.)<BR/><BR/>Great stuff - keep up the good work!doomsyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06398846941235150923noreply@blogger.com