tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post114935977541237780..comments2024-03-25T16:03:36.810-07:00Comments on The Existentialist Cowboy: An Emerging Pattern of U.S. War Crimes and Atrocities in Iraq Suggests a Heinous PolicyAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04598093941551759917noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-1149547407705174652006-06-05T15:43:00.000-07:002006-06-05T15:43:00.000-07:00That's great stuff...and I don't recall that from ...That's great stuff...and I don't recall that from the movie at all. Terrific. We are all Yossarian if we have found ourselves in a truly abusrd situation not of our making and beyond our ability to change. Like Yossarian, "I am incensed!"Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04598093941551759917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-1149546922524150182006-06-05T15:35:00.000-07:002006-06-05T15:35:00.000-07:00Len, my second copy of Catch 22 is falling apart. ...Len, my second copy of Catch 22 is falling apart. I saw the film a long time ago but the book was always more enjoyable. So much of US politics sounds like Catch 22 done badly. Milo Mindbender buying eggs at 7c and selling them at 5c, winning the contract from the Germans to bomb his own airfield ("Strafe...it's in the contract"), chocolate coated cotton. All of the favourites. <BR/><BR/>Here's Yossarian with the psychiatrist:<BR/><BR/><EM>"Well, do you know what you are? You are a frustrated, unhappy, disillusioned, uindisciplined, maladjusted young man!" Major Sanderson's disposition seemed to mellow as he reeled off the uncomplimentary adjectives.<BR/><BR/>"Yes, sir," Yossarian agreed carefully. "I guess you're right."<BR/><BR/>"Of course I'm right. You're immature. You've been unable to adjust to the idea of war."<BR/><BR/>"Yes, sir."<BR/><BR/>"You have a morbid aversion to dying. You probably resent the fact that you're at war and might get your head blown off any second."<BR/><BR/>"I more than resent it, sir. I'm absolutely incensed."<BR/><BR/>"You have deep-seated survival anxieties. And you don't like bigots, bullies, snobs or hypocrites. Subconsciously there are many people you hate."<BR/><BR/>"Consciously, sir, consciously," Yossarian corrected in an effort to help. "I hate them consciously."</EM><BR/><BR/>...it goes on...lots of fun.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-1149542903273489362006-06-05T14:28:00.000-07:002006-06-05T14:28:00.000-07:00Jen, I have some shame because my country (Austral...Jen, I have some shame because my country (Australia) has troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. But I can understand how difficult it must be for Americans to have an illegal President with the worst qualities committing unspeakable crimes. As far as the US military is concerned its a situation of garbage in/garbage out. If you take often poor (but otherwise decent) Americans entering the army who only want to improve their lives, desensitise them, tell them to look down on Iraqis and to brutalise them, subject them to stress, and then stand back, then you will get the current crop of abuses. The blame is far more on their superiors and senior US leaders for creating this kind of climate. Interestingly, these kinds of abuses don't occur with British, Australian or troops of other countries in the current conflict. It's a cultural phenomenon. And you can sheet it right home to Rumsfeld and his generals.<BR/><BR/>You have to be patient with your own country Jen. There are a lot of good people there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-1149542006191483242006-06-05T14:13:00.000-07:002006-06-05T14:13:00.000-07:00Jen, on the whole I agree with you. But I must say...Jen, on the whole I agree with you. But I must say —I am increasingly disenchanted with "America". For example, the genocide against the Native American peoples is still going on —however subtly. <BR/><BR/>The number of deaths as a result of this "domestic" genocide makes Adolph Hitler look like a dilettante: 12 million. <BR/><BR/>In the old days, the "Americans" just shot the "Indians", later, under Andy Jackson, they rounded them up and sent them to Oklahoma. Lands that even the U.S. government had recognized as "Indian" lands were seized and the "gold in them thar hills" was re-distributed to "Europeans" who coveted it. <BR/><BR/>More recently, Native American women on reservations were "sterilized" to decrease the Native American populations. There is no end to the evil.<BR/><BR/>It is not accident that many Native Americans have become brilliant lawyers —a trend that began, no doubt, when the U.S. broke its first treaty.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04598093941551759917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-1149541099011641152006-06-05T13:58:00.000-07:002006-06-05T13:58:00.000-07:00Thanks for the perspective, Damien and Len. It ge...Thanks for the perspective, Damien and Len. It gets so disheartening to see photos of dead children the same ages as your own, and know that this is not the true heart of America and what we stand for.<BR/><BR/>If we could only just send a big wooden swing set to Iraq instead of our immoral military might, then freedom may ring in the laughter of children (of all ages).Jenniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01419277376891789393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-1149539943670772092006-06-05T13:39:00.000-07:002006-06-05T13:39:00.000-07:00thanks damien. I had written a reply to Jen, but "...thanks damien. I had written a reply to Jen, but "blogger" ate it. Ah well...the exciting life of a blogger!!! Ummmmm I wonder whatever happened to my well thumbed paper back "Catch 22". It's a mystery. Did you happen to see the film with Alan Arkin and Art Garfunkel?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04598093941551759917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-1149539246934245802006-06-05T13:27:00.000-07:002006-06-05T13:27:00.000-07:00The rest of the world is smart enough to distingui...The rest of the world is smart enough to distinguish between decent Americans and their current leaders, jen. I wouldn't lose too much sleep over it. We know there's you and a few other good ones left. Just see if you can get them out in Nov. <BR/><BR/>I always read my Catch 22 when politics gets a bit much. Yossarian is fun. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-1149517941037404472006-06-05T07:32:00.000-07:002006-06-05T07:32:00.000-07:00So, where's the international police to apprehend ...So, where's the international police to apprehend leaders who defy and break international laws like the Nuremburg principle?? It should be apparent to the international community that the United States leadership has run amok, and their country might be next (like, say Brazil, and damn those French--seems like everything yummy has a damn French name like French Toast and French Fries; oh but the French really don't have the balls to defend themselves or stand up to anything, right?? Ok, Dubya has strategy there.).<BR/><BR/>With the beginning of 9/11 to the Iraqi war and atrocities that make the United States look like the evil bully of the world, I am so ashamed to be a citizen of the United States. This is not what our country is all about! We are an honorable country that respects life and the thoughts and opinions of others (or at least I thought and that was what I was taught). Was I brainwashed to think that our country is so kind and gentle, slow to anger and all that garbage? I must have.<BR/><BR/>It is disturbing to hear and see the unwarranted killings and abuse done in our name. No, wait... Disturbing is way too mild a word here. It is vile, detestable, reprehensible, deplorable, opprobrious... There is no word that fully describes these atrocities that our government is sanctioning and commiting in our name. It goes against everything our forefathers built for the foundation of this once wonderfully magnificent country.<BR/><BR/>We used to be the home of brave and the free, now we are neither. Brave soldiers DO NOT KILL innocent people. And freedom is now just a word that is tossed around to make us feel good.<BR/><BR/>Can we turn our country around? What must we do to get our country back?? Is there someone that can help us to become an honorable and respectable country again?Jenniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01419277376891789393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-1149513841983663552006-06-05T06:24:00.000-07:002006-06-05T06:24:00.000-07:00A draft will bring about rioting in the streets. O...A draft will bring about rioting in the streets. Of course there was opposition to the the Viet Nam quagmire, but it was the "draft" that mobilized the anti-war movement. <BR/><BR/>The topic of the role of a standing army of any sort is too often given short shrift in various histories. Unemployment in Rome, for example, was was probably always very high —hence the bread and circuses. There were few career paths. Invading and conquering provinces enriched the ruling patricians and provided "work" for the Roman masses. What has changed?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04598093941551759917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-1149486573083942022006-06-04T22:49:00.000-07:002006-06-04T22:49:00.000-07:00we really need a draft....we really need a <A HREF="http://www.rense.com/general71/dd.htm" REL="nofollow">draft</A>....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-1149462406408015742006-06-04T16:06:00.000-07:002006-06-04T16:06:00.000-07:00This is why "superpowers" don't go to war against ...This is why "superpowers" don't go to war against "third-world" countries. This story is as old as history. The "superpowers" always do this. Remember Tarleton's Quarter from History class? What about what the Russians did to the Afghans? My Lai ring a bell?<BR/>History repeats itself, and people never learning is the thing that most often repeats itself.AngryManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17028202636141431154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-1149444810293838442006-06-04T11:13:00.000-07:002006-06-04T11:13:00.000-07:00Len, Fuzzflash. It all boils down what Alberto J. ...Len, Fuzzflash. It all boils down what Alberto J. Mora's memo (former general counsel of the United States Navy) conveys; that there is a deliberate policy from the get go that wanted to commit torture and wanted to fight a 'war on terror' in a way without wanting to be held accountable. I read Jane Mayer's article and wrote a post on it. I am trying (and Len, if this one alone is time consuming, can you imagine if you want to track every criminal act from this administration, phew) to provide a time line outside of the article (and the article is a must read I believe) so that you can just follow the little footsteps a la that secret map from Harry Potter. Tomorrow I am hoping to have the second part of the time line up but it's depressing, maddening, appalling and everything else you can imagine that is foul and abhorrent, just to read the article alone. I am amazed how they had the nerve to dismiss Haditha... a fellow blogger American girl married to a Bahraini and living in the Gulf is totally pessimistic. She does not believe that Americans will care enough to do just about anything right. I have to concur; people have it way too good to understand a) the seriousness of the illegalities undermining the rule of law and oh yeah, the constitution, b)have never been subjugated as a people so they can never say 'never again will this happen'. Plus, there are the usual suspects that distracts; tv, the feel good sermons at church, you name it..ok..stepping of my soapbox now..<BR/>IngridIngridhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15543677729320023767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-1149425129086087522006-06-04T05:45:00.000-07:002006-06-04T05:45:00.000-07:00fuzzflash, I remember that freeway sign well. What...fuzzflash, I remember that freeway sign well. What has happened since then simply points up the complete moral paucity of this Bush administration. Bush said once "Who cares what you think?" He literally does not give a damn what anyone thinks. This irrational obstinacy is another defining characteristic of his adminitration. I am afraid that Bush will have to be removed by force of arms sanctioned by a court order. But even then —as commander-in-chief —Bush will opposed the court sanction process servers by calling out the military. His admministration will not go quietly into that good night. This will have a bad end.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04598093941551759917noreply@blogger.com