tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post114953618097327929..comments2024-03-25T16:03:36.810-07:00Comments on The Existentialist Cowboy: How the U.S. Military deliberately lied about Haditha and tried to cover it upAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04598093941551759917noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-1149734478280190402006-06-07T19:41:00.000-07:002006-06-07T19:41:00.000-07:00New grounds for Bush impeachmentNew grounds for Bush <A HREF="http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff06072006.html" REL="nofollow">impeachment</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-1149660302155031252006-06-06T23:05:00.000-07:002006-06-06T23:05:00.000-07:00There's a discussion by Soto on the issue of a pos...There's a discussion by Soto on the issue of a possible <A HREF="http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/007868.php" REL="nofollow">summertime attack against Iran</A> (with great comments) and an excellent <A HREF="http://www-personal.umich.edu/~twod/" REL="nofollow">Iran historical background</A> by Tom O'Donnell that some may find useful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-1149653373728125612006-06-06T21:09:00.000-07:002006-06-06T21:09:00.000-07:00You know that perhaps a good 10% of "strategic bom...You know that perhaps a good 10% of "strategic bombings" over villages are surely made to cover traces of "overzealousries" and other abusive behavior by US soldiers, straight out of Dick Cheney's manuel for quail hunting...Sebastien Parmentierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14510809227926364827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-1149652290981088912006-06-06T20:51:00.000-07:002006-06-06T20:51:00.000-07:00I have to wonder how many cover ups there actually...I have to wonder how many cover ups there actually are. We found out about this one....how many have we not found out about??? <BR/><BR/>http://newsyoucanabuse.blogspot.com/2006/06/anyone-ever-hear-any-more-about-this.html<BR/><BR/>Love your blog Len!Question Girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10266655654814142920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-1149649802857266172006-06-06T20:10:00.000-07:002006-06-06T20:10:00.000-07:00I could be in Iraq with no way out..The only thing...<I>I could be in Iraq with no way out..</I><BR/><BR/>The only thing worse would be waking up as a coackroach. Sorry...I have to give Kafka equal time. <BR/><BR/>No apologies necessary. I'm just glad that my glaring typos above were either unoticed or politely ignored. Thanks : ) I understand rough days. <BR/><BR/>Now...I think I'll just kick back with a little Roy Orbison and Patsy Kline.<BR/><BR/>And poetryman, I like the phrase "merry band of articulates". Very cool. Too bad we can't serve up some strong coffee to go with the equally stimulating repartee.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04598093941551759917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-1149648291282423742006-06-06T19:44:00.000-07:002006-06-06T19:44:00.000-07:00I meant to say..."continue hopefully to investigat...I meant to say..."continue hopefully to investigate more of this unspeakable shamefulness..."<BR/>sorry guys, I am doing my 'nightly rounds' and it's been a full day with two kids, going places and 2hrs at the pool...I'm tuckered (tomorrow 98F)..but, life could be worse..I could be in Iraq with no way out..<BR/>IngridIngridhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15543677729320023767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-1149648138106142972006-06-06T19:42:00.000-07:002006-06-06T19:42:00.000-07:00Good thing though that the Iraqis are going to inv...Good thing though that the Iraqis are going to investigate and continue this unspeakable shamefulness... Perhaps that can be the one common denominator amongst the sectarian strife (sunni, shia and kurds); going after US war crimes..<BR/>IngridIngridhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15543677729320023767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-1149645852976715482006-06-06T19:04:00.000-07:002006-06-06T19:04:00.000-07:00It would be an honor, len, to join your merry band...It would be an honor, len, to join your merry band of articulates... :>)Mark Prime (tpm/Confession Zero)https://www.blogger.com/profile/04683863540465969835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-1149633140281564832006-06-06T15:32:00.000-07:002006-06-06T15:32:00.000-07:00As to be expected, all of you've have made pointed...As to be expected, all of you've have made pointed and poignant comments. I am inclined to accept the proposition that "atrocities" are statistically higher in "immoral wars" even if you factor out the obvious: that the war itself is immoral and illegal. That is certainly the case with Bush's ill-concived aggression against the people of Iraq. Some 6,000 Iraqi civilians have paid for Bush's folly with their lives since the first of the year. <BR/><BR/>It's hard to see how anyone can call this "winning". Any study along these lines will, of course, have to define the terms "atrocity" and "aggressive war" and, in both cases, the starting points are Geneva and Nuremberg. <BR/><BR/>Welcome poetryman. Feel free to jump in any time. You'll find a set a intelligent and articulate regulars here eager to share ideas with you. This blog is most certainly not an echo chamger —but the disagreements are alway civil and lead to interesting dialogues.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04598093941551759917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-1149620135566552892006-06-06T11:55:00.000-07:002006-06-06T11:55:00.000-07:00On the immorality bit... this "war" (occupation) r...On the immorality bit... this "war" (occupation) ranks lower than Vietnam as far as moral standing... The assessment of get out now is spot on... The only thing our continued presense in Iraq will do is increase the violence throughout the world. Shame on us... Bush must... I said MUST be removed along with his cohorts...Mark Prime (tpm/Confession Zero)https://www.blogger.com/profile/04683863540465969835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-1149592294351863612006-06-06T04:11:00.000-07:002006-06-06T04:11:00.000-07:00And morality is in the eye of the beholder. I have...And morality is in the eye of the beholder. I have an antique pocket Bible that was issued to American service men prior to debarkation over seas for our short stint during WWI. The preface of the Bible is a fiery speech by Gen. Pershing, insisting their duty is to God and country, depicting the Germans as evil Huns and tools of Beelzebub who will be stopped by nothing less then the sacrifice of brave decent Christian fighting men of America. These are exact words used by Pershing in this diatribe rant to the troops.<BR/><BR/>All this from a man who ordered the slaughter of every one beyond the age of 10 years old during the battle for, and the ensuing insurgency of the Philippine Island invasion.<BR/>That was a little over one hundred years ago, during the Spanish American War. Yet it represents another empire building, expansionist immoral war that was created under false pretense, and riddled with atrocities. Oddly enough as with 9/11 and the Iraqi invasion, or the Bay of Tonkin incident and the commencement of the Vietnam era … we also have the “Remember the Maine” incident, the general catalyst for the Spanish American war. All three of these “incidents” are questioned by hard evidence that the “ incidents” may have been contrived wholly or partly for the purpose of expediting the political will of the people to react in context of self defense. <BR/> <BR/>So I agree rurikid, some wars may have a bit more “moral “ high ground, certainly in their effort, but I think atrocities occur during those type of conflicts also, and as you state probably to a lesser degree. Bottom line though, I believe all wars are immoral. Beyond total self defense, no man has the right to take away something that he has absolutely no power to replace, that being someone’s life.benmerchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05822419839573670413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-1149585358545098032006-06-06T02:15:00.000-07:002006-06-06T02:15:00.000-07:00I wonder if there is a direct correlation between ...I wonder if there is a direct correlation between the behaviour of troops and their perception and awareness of the moral values (or absence thereof) of their mission. I reckon that if one did a study of the comparative behaviour of troops fighting a war of aggression, those fighting a war of defense, and those fighting a "just" war (as in the allies during WWII, for example), one would find that those troops fighting an unjustified war of aggression will rape, loot, pillage, murder, torture, and generally commit abuses far more than those fighting a defensive or just war. The degree of such abuses is probably a measure of the degree of morality or immorality of any given war, if you see what I mean.Vierotchkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05028919670102869922noreply@blogger.com