tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post5665377278026711624..comments2024-02-07T00:13:30.741-08:00Comments on The Existentialist Cowboy: Support the Proposed Amendment that Would ABOLISH 'Corporate Personhood'Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04598093941551759917noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-69444699435810828042012-01-18T17:25:23.727-08:002012-01-18T17:25:23.727-08:00Our current Supreme Court's conservative justi...Our current Supreme Court's conservative justices are a real embarrassment. I believe no adults today could have believed they would have to live through such a Court the way Americand did several times in the past. It only shows that the politics of a given time have profound consequences and the Court is affected. It's not a pure ideal place occupied by saints.MarkHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-34578857836049182612012-01-17T10:25:29.156-08:002012-01-17T10:25:29.156-08:00LarryE said:
The Court "avoided" the C...LarryE said: <br /><br /><em>The Court "avoided" the Constitutional question because it was regarded as unnecessary; it was thought obvious that the parties in the case were "persons" within the meaning of the 14th Amendment - put more directly, what the Court thought "obvious" was that corporations deserved due process, something I doubt anyone questioned.</em><br /><br />You were doing fine until you got to the second part of your post: "...what the court though 'obvious' was that corporations deserved due process, something I doubt anyone questioned!"<br /><br />I don't believe that was the case. Nor is there any evidence that 'corporate personhood' was not questioned. <br /><br />Those believing otherwise (as you do) have a burden of proof; i.e, PROVE to me that no one questioned it. Indeed, prove to me that it was even brought up. Every other 'right' enumerated in the 'Bill of Rights' applies to people ---REAL people! Why would the founders extend to rights of 'personhood' to 'legal abstractions' which require paper work be filed with a state. Not even a sovereign nation of itself but a MERE state! <br /><br />I have a better explanation that is consistent with Occam's Razor and that is: no one brought it up (as you maintain) not because they thought 'corporations were people' but because they believed NO ONE was stupid enough to believe it. <br /><br />The fact is 'states' --not the U.S. --CREATE 'corporations'. They are not the product of divine creation as some believe is the case with people. But even the 'atheist' which most likely believes in Darwinian evolution could believe for a minute that there is ANY valid analogy whatsoever, no IDENTITY to be found with respect to 'real and biological persons' and 'coroporations' i.e, mere legal abstractions. <br /><br />Implicit in the above is the FACT: real persons are biological --either the product of Darwinian evolution OR (if you are religiously inclined) the product of divine creation. By definition, therefore, 'corporations' are no more 'people' than are paintings, books, bylaws of clubs/fraternities et al NONE of which are considered to be PERSONS by sane people. <br /><br />Bottom line: the SCOTUS decision is 1) insane if not stupid 1)false if not disingenuous; 3) WRONG if not deliberately wrong-headed.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04598093941551759917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-90928073913469430322012-01-15T02:15:13.562-08:002012-01-15T02:15:13.562-08:00Don said...
...nothing Hitler did was against the...Don said...<br /><br /><em>...nothing Hitler did was against the laws of the Reich.</em><br /><br />Thanks for commenting, Don. Good to see you again. You're are absolutely correct though Hitler, broke some laws 'enroute' to his 'Third Reich'. The 'Beer Hall Putsch' comes to mind. As I recall, he did some time for that one and while in the lock-up, wrote "Mein Kampf'. But --of course --your point is true and valid. His 'Third Reich' made his crap 'legal'. And the analogy to 'Citizens United' is right on the money. I think you have described a defining characteristic of tyranny.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04598093941551759917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-38702992849207252842012-01-14T23:40:02.392-08:002012-01-14T23:40:02.392-08:00Prior to this mere clerk's mere note, NO ONE h...<i>Prior to this mere clerk's mere note, NO ONE had believed that the 14th amendment applied to anyone but real people.</i><br /><br />Not exactly, although the underlying point is valid. The Court "avoided" the Constitutional question because it was regarded as unnecessary; it was thought obvious that the parties in the case were "persons" <i>within the meaning of the 14th Amendment</i> - put more directly, what the Court thought "obvious" was that corporations deserved due process, something I doubt anyone questioned.<br /><br />The thing is, that is one hell of a long way from saying "corporations are people" or deserve all (or indeed any) of the other rights of real people. And you are quite right that it was that note, which has no legal standing, that has been twisted into the service of that inanity, particularly since the notion of corporate "personhood" appears nowhere in the decision.Lotushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774266443353774752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-33994949589576628992012-01-14T16:25:54.633-08:002012-01-14T16:25:54.633-08:00Legitimacy is a big deal to these lying bastards.I...Legitimacy is a big deal to these lying bastards.I make points with my ever shrinking circle of acquaintances by reminding them that nothing Hitler did was against the laws of the Reich.<br />The patina of legality seems sufficient to dispel any lingering unease about the ethics of what they do- though I doubt that they have any conscience at all, being sociopaths, it's PR for the mob.<br />Don SmithAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-79052739385169896292012-01-14T10:33:17.634-08:002012-01-14T10:33:17.634-08:00Joseph Rank comments (via email)
"Thing is, ...Joseph Rank comments (via email)<br /><br />"Thing is, corporations have always found ways to Influence peddle and spread money to subvert democracy. They had to do it surreptitiously by buying up media outlets and other 'news' sources. It's why Fox Noise is nothing but a propaganda arm for the reactionary agenda."<br /><br />I completely agree!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04598093941551759917noreply@blogger.com