tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post7408170885817377446..comments2024-03-25T16:03:36.810-07:00Comments on The Existentialist Cowboy: "Bobby Kennedy died believing his brother's killers had not been found"Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04598093941551759917noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-10380064390674702522007-08-27T22:24:00.000-07:002007-08-27T22:24:00.000-07:00DAM the LIARS and CROOKS!DAM the LIARS and CROOKS!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06227051499000939578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-12857241633817529952007-08-27T01:12:00.000-07:002007-08-27T01:12:00.000-07:00United We Lay said...Hey, I'm not saying there wa...United We Lay said...<BR/><BR/><EM>Hey, I'm not saying there wasn't a conspiracy, I'm just saying that we're more open to believing it because many people feel they don't really know what happened to Kennedy, ie: the government line is bullshit. I was always interested in the assassination theories as a child, and I think that's probably what led me to seek out the truth about the war and 9/11.</EM><BR/><BR/>You are absolutely correct: the government line is bullshit. The government version of events is almost always bullshit. The question is why is that? The answer is: the govt is either trying to cover up its own incompetence, protect its criminal friends, or to cover up its own criminal complicity. Lies about JFK and 911 are most certainly of this ilk. The government lies for a reason. <BR/><BR/>Why are Americans so fearful of the word "conspiracy"? In fact, almost every SCOTUS decision of any importance deals with a conspiracy of one sort or another. What was the mob, if not a conspiracy? The government will demonize "conspiracy" when it's in its interest, but celebrate the concept when "conspiracy" benefits the entrenched power. What is "al Qaeda" if not a conspiracy. What was la Cosa Nostra if not a conspiracy? The govts' official lie re: 911 is one of the most absurd bullshit stories to ever come down the pike. <BR/><BR/>So --when Bush warned Americans that his administration would be intolerant of outrageous conspiracy theories, he obviously excluded his own administration, itself a CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY that ought to be investigated and prosecuted under RICO statues. Every time, Richard Nixon met, in the Oval Office, to confer with the likes of Herrs Haldeman and Ehrlichman, he "conspired" to defraud the citizens of the US. Every time, Bush met with Dick Cheney in the Oval Office, you can bet he engaged in a criminal conspiracy to defraud the citizens of the US with wars of naked aggression, punishable by death under US Codes, Title 18, Section 2441. <BR/><BR/>Go to Findlaw or the Cornell Law School library. Peruse. I am willing to wager that most case law is about "conspiracies" of one sort or another. <BR/><BR/>liberal journal man said...<BR/><BR/><EM> Each time we have a significant event in this country there's a cycle. First, shock. Then, questions, Then, a Commission which doesn't answer all of the questions.</EM><BR/><BR/>That's because the purpose of commissions like Warren and 911 is not to get at the "truth". That's the LAST thing that a complicit government wants. the purpose of the Warren commission was to shoot holes (with a Mannlicher Carcano, no doubt) into the idea that JFK was offed by a conspiracy, a gang representing subversive, right wing interests in the US. In the case of 911, the 911 commission's job was to rubber stamp the official bullshit story and paper over the holes. <BR/><BR/><EM>The core of this government deception/omissions is the idea that the people can't be trusted.</EM><BR/><BR/>When, in fact, it is the government that cannot be trusted. It's been that way at least since the JFK murder and it is worse now than ever. I wish I could pinpoint a date when the US government CEASED to be legitimate. <BR/><BR/><EM>Too many don't care whether all the votes get counted. There are people in dark rooms making decisions for us because they believe we can't be trusted--that they must do certain things which we don't agree with because they know what's best for us.</EM><BR/><BR/>These are the people who act on behalf of a tiny monied interests. See the next post: <BR/><BR/>United We Lay said...<BR/><BR/><EM>Hey, I'm not saying there wasn't a conspiracy, I'm just saying that we're more open to believing it because many people feel they don't really know what happened to Kennedy, ie: the government line is bullshit. I was always interested in the assassination theories as a child, and I think that's probably what led me to seek out the truth about the war and 9/11.</EM><BR/><BR/>You are absolutely correct: the government line is bullshit. The government version of events is almost always bullshit. The question is why is that. The answer is: the govt is either trying to cover up its own incompetence, protect its criminal friends, or to cover up its own criminal complicity. Lies about JFK and 911 are most certainly of this ilk. The government lies for a reason. <BR/><BR/>Why are Americans so fearful of the word "conspiracy"? In fact, almost every SCOTUS decision of any importance deals with a conspiracy of one sort or another. What was the mob, if not a conspiracy? The government will demonize "conspiracy" when it's in its interest, but celebrate the concept when "conspiracy" benefits the entrenched power. What is "al Qaeda" if not a conspiracy. What was la Cosa Nostra if not a conspiracy? The govts' official lie re: 911 is one of the most absurd bullshit stories to ever come down the pike. <BR/><BR/>So --when Bush warned Americans that his administration would be intolerant of outrageous conspiracy theories, he obviously excluded his own administration, itself a CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY that ought to be investigated and prosecuted under RICO statues. Every time, Richard Nixon met, in the Oval Office, to confer with the likes of Herrs Haldeman and Ehrlichman, he "conspired" to defraud the citizens of the US. Every time, Bush met with Dick Cheney in the Oval Office, you can bet he engaged in a criminal conspiracy to defraud the citizens of the US with wars of naked aggression, punishable by death under US Codes, Title 18, Section 2441. <BR/><BR/>Go to Findlaw or the Cornell Law School library. Peruse. I am willing to wager that most case law is about "conspiracies" of one sort or another. <BR/><BR/>liberal journal man said...<BR/><BR/><EM> Each time we have a significant event in this country there's a cycle. First, shock. Then, questions, Then, a Commission which doesn't answer all of the questions.</EM><BR/><BR/>That's because the purpose of commissions like Warren and 911 is not to get at the "truth". That's the LAST thing that a complicit government wants. the purpose of the Warren commission was to shoot holes (with a Mannlicher Carcano, no doubt) into the idea that JFK was offed by a conspiracy, a gang representing subversive, right wing interests in the US. In the case of 911, the 911 commission's job was to rubber stamp the official bullshit story and paper over the holes. <BR/><BR/><EM>The core of this government deception/omissions is the idea that the people can't be trusted.</EM><BR/><BR/>When, in fact, it is the government that cannot be trusted. It's been that way at least since the JFK murder and it is worse now than ever. I wish I could pinpoint at date when the US government CEASED being legitimate. <BR/><BR/><EM>Too many don't care whether all the votes get counted. There are people in dark rooms making decisions for us because they believe we can't be trusted--that they must do certain things which we don't agree with because they know what's best for us.</EM><BR/><BR/>These are the people who act on behalf of a tiny monied interest. See the next post:<A HREF="http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/2007/08/carlin-they-gotcha-by-balls.html" REL="nofollow"> Carlin: "They gotcha by the balls"</A>.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04598093941551759917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-71207487024697105322007-08-26T20:03:00.000-07:002007-08-26T20:03:00.000-07:00Each time we have a significant event in this coun...Each time we have a significant event in this country there's a cycle. First, shock. Then, questions, Then, a Commission which doesn't answer all of the questions. Then, the people who don't let the questions lie unanswered are the "conspiracy theorists." The tales of the Warren and 9/11 Commissions are too similar. We just want answers. <BR/><BR/>The core of this government deception/omissions is the idea that the people can't be trusted. We have long ceased being a truly democratic government. We haven't believed in it abroad, looking at the last 60 years of foreign policy. And we don't believe in it here in America. Too many don't care whether all the votes get counted. There are people in dark rooms making decisions for us because they believe we can't be trusted--that they must do certain things which we don't agree with because they know what's best for us. This is what torture-supporters believe. This is what military-worshippers believe. This is what most Republicans, many Independents, and even a few Democrats believe. The vast majority of Americans have stopped asking questions. And that's more than enough to continue undermining our democracy.Nelsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01168659716980028654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-44199489928291553682007-08-26T18:33:00.000-07:002007-08-26T18:33:00.000-07:00Hey, I'm not saying there wasn't a conspiracy, I'm...Hey, I'm not saying there wasn't a conspiracy, I'm just saying that we're more open to believing it because many people feel they don't really know what happened to Kennedy, ie: the government line is bullshit. I was always interested in the assassination theories as a child, and I think that's probably what led me to seek out the truth about the war and 9/11.United We Layhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10468975489733146824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-38248530095388230552007-08-26T05:55:00.000-07:002007-08-26T05:55:00.000-07:00Fuzz wrote...Ellroy touches all the bases forensic...Fuzz wrote...<BR/><BR/><EM>Ellroy touches all the bases forensically: Mafia, FBI, CIA, Bay of Pigs debacle, Cuban exiles in Florida, Camelot, patsy Oswald, Jack Ruby and lots more.</EM><BR/><BR/>Thanks for the tip. Have not read that one.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04598093941551759917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-57791986900454811022007-08-26T05:51:00.000-07:002007-08-26T05:51:00.000-07:00Diane B , That the Warren Commission was a crock, ...Diane B , <BR/><BR/>That the Warren Commission was a crock, we have no doubt. What is significant about Matthew's review is his own conclusion: if there were more than three shots fired, there was a conspiracy. The Warren Commission just simply dismissed the evidence. I've read much of the report. It is ironic that until recently, the witnesses and the evidence presented to that biased and/or incompetent commission was the best case FOR a conspiracy. I don't have an opinion about the Fed, however.<BR/><BR/>United We Lay said...<BR/><BR/><EM>I think the Kennedy assassination is what has left people pen to the idea that there was some sort of conspiracy on 9/11.</EM><BR/><BR/>The White House, in fact, posited the FIRST 911 conspiracy theory: bin Laden and his gang of al Qaeda terrorists. The White House conspiracy theory is bogus: several of the hijackers lived to tell the tale and gave interviews to the BBC. The American media conveniently didn't mention that.<BR/><BR/>Secondly, kerosene (jet fuel) doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel. The "official conspiracy theorists" then tried to change the official line. The steel didn't have to melt into order to collapse, they said. It only had to "weaken" the steel. Aside from the facts that that assertion is utterly without proof or foundation, it was too late to change the official lie. Molten steel had already been found in the WTC wreckage, a FACT that refutes the idea that the crash of airplanes alone brought down the towers. I am quite certain, the collapse of the twin towers, as was true of buildling 7, was due to a controlled demolitions. Larry Silverstein, btw, is on record confirming to the BBC that building 7 was "pulled down". A controlled demolition has to be planned in advance --weeks, possibly months.<BR/><BR/>Another major slip up, the BBC's reporter on the scene reported the collapse of buildling 7 EVEN AS Building 7 was seen still standing in the background.<BR/><BR/>A final shot, I will wager that there is not a single firefighter in NY who believes the official bullshit story. Every firefighter who's statement I've read talks about hearing numerous explosions going off all over the Twin Towers. Other reported seeing and hearing "squibs" blowing up in strategic locations --just as would be seen in a controlled demolition.<BR/><BR/>Controlled demolitions are desgined to actually "cut" steel beams. A soft airplane body just will NOT do that. And the subsequet fire was about 1,000 degrees TOO COOL to melt steel.<BR/><BR/>Liberality said...<BR/><BR/><EM>I too have thought that since the Kennedy assassination our country has been on a false course.</EM><BR/><BR/>That's definitely when all the craziness started. JFK's murder was, in fact, a coup d'etat and the government has been of questionable legitimacy since that time. Everything changed. Many had motives for killing JFK. The list is a rogues' gallery and includes J. Edgar Hoover, the mob, the CIA and big oil. <BR/><BR/>In fact, those who desired JFK's death benefited greatly from it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04598093941551759917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-63468498914349816222007-08-26T04:31:00.000-07:002007-08-26T04:31:00.000-07:00I think the Kenedy asassination is what has left p...I think the Kenedy asassination is what has left people pen to the idea that there was some sort of conspiracy on 9/11. I honestly don't know what to believe, but what I do know is hat this government, our politicians, and our fellow Americans cannot be trusted.United We Layhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10468975489733146824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-49037305176349472222007-08-25T23:53:00.000-07:002007-08-25T23:53:00.000-07:00Len, from what I understood JFK, authorized the is...Len, from what I understood JFK, authorized the issuance of silver certificate dollars. It was 4.3 billion dollars worth. This is by passing the federal reserve.Do you think, this Executive Order on June 4, 1963 helped push the assassination of JFK. He was on his way to doing away with the Federal Reserve. This Executive Order is still in existence <BR/>no, other President has used it.Diane Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04709680778603784433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-56188466022966300282007-08-25T18:41:00.000-07:002007-08-25T18:41:00.000-07:00I'd forget my head if it wasn't attached to my tor...I'd forget my head if it wasn't attached to my torso by a neck-pipe. Comes in handy when one wishes to remove it and check the wiring inside one's brain, but it's a bit of a pest when one forgets to tag web log comments.<BR/><BR/>Anon.6:26, c'est moi. Fuzz the forgetful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-65479757606939064122007-08-25T18:26:00.000-07:002007-08-25T18:26:00.000-07:00Enjoyed Stevenson's take on Talbot's tome.So much ...Enjoyed Stevenson's take on Talbot's tome.<BR/><BR/>So much has been churned over since November 1963 and so few questions have been satisfactorily answered. Like 911.<BR/><BR/>By far the most "entertaining" view of this modern American tragedy, im(extraordinarily)ho, is a novel of blended fact and fiction called "American Tabloid" written by an autodidact obsessive, James Ellroy.<BR/><BR/> Ellroy blends three of the most fascinating characters in modern American fiction with "actual historical facts". Brilliantly woven tall tales and true that begin in 1958, and end as "the" bullet exits the barrell of a high powered rifle on its way to Jack's cranium. Ellroy's m.o. is reminiscent of the way that Gore Vidal writes about US history using fact and fiction, but without Vidal's Brahmin strut. <BR/><BR/>Ellroy does a superlative hatchet job on Jedgar Hoover, conjuring "conversations" Jedgar has with his underlings and with Bobby K. He writes in a style that is non-pretentious yet highly effective, able to be appreciated and enjoyed by mathematicians, rocket scientists, cabbies and cleaners. Anyone who can flick through a tabloid. <BR/><BR/>Ellroy touches all the bases forensically: Mafia, FBI, CIA, Bay of Pigs debacle, Cuban exiles in Florida, Camelot, patsy Oswald, Jack Ruby and lots more.<BR/><BR/>American Tabloid is modern American literature.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-7863911311515977352007-08-25T17:49:00.000-07:002007-08-25T17:49:00.000-07:00I was a baby when Kennedy was assassinated yet I a...I was a baby when Kennedy was assassinated yet I am always profoundly moved and disturbed when I see his picture, hear a speech, or think about what has happened to the Kennedy brothers, who fought on the side of right when push came to shove. When 9-11 happened, I thought of it as a continuation of the Kennedy assassinations as well as the assassination of Dr. King. It feels the same to me. Our country is going down the wrong path and we will never be told the truth. Powerful men are behind the scenes and pulling the strings. Those who try to do the world good are gunned down or in some way disposed of. I hate being so cynical but it seems the only rational response to the data or lack thereof. <BR/><BR/>I too have thought that since the Kennedy assassination our country has been on a false course. Each time a Democrat president is elected they are hounded out of power. I am thinking of Carter leaving in disgrace because of the Iranian hostage crisis and the impeachment of Clinton in the 1990's. They were not perfect presidents by far but it seems they had the good of the American people at heart. I do not think Reagan, Bush I and especially Bush II could be said to have our best interest at heart. Money is their master and evil are their deeds.Life As I Know It Nowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03733963455243806298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-16443269510520512592007-08-25T14:27:00.000-07:002007-08-25T14:27:00.000-07:00Diane, In this instance, the big difference betwee...Diane, <BR/><BR/>In this instance, the big difference between the Bay of Pigs and Iraq, with regard to the CIA is that the CIA believed Kennedy had betrayed them at the Bay of Pigs. Moreover, Kennedy had pledged to "smash the CIA into a thousand pieces". <BR/><BR/>By contrast, the CIA LOVES the Iraq war and so does the Military/Industrial complex. So does big oil! <BR/><BR/>They are all literally making a killing. <BR/><BR/>I don't think it takes a genius to figure out who it was who benefited from the deaths of both JFK and RFK. Qui bono?<BR/><BR/>Ask youself who benefited from JFK's murder. To answer that question is to solve both murders.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04598093941551759917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-153180850985265072007-08-24T23:13:00.000-07:002007-08-24T23:13:00.000-07:00I was a teenager when JFK was President. I thought...I was a teenager when JFK was President. I thought he was wonderful. Not much has changed, I still do.<BR/><BR/> It was a bitter cold, North Country day when I heard the news in study hall that JFK was assassinated. Gathering with friends and family trying to come to grip with our National tragedy.<BR/><BR/>As a child,with in a year, I had lost both of my parents, brothers, and sister. Separated by death, illness, and lack of family to keep us together. Now, John Kennedy's Death not just dying like my Father but assassinated. I became forever changed, much like most of my generation.<BR/><BR/>I don't believe you can compare the Bay of Pigs, to Iraq War. In my view there is no comparison.<BR/><BR/>Amazing War heroes like JFK and John Kerry are condemned for being true War heroes while the likes of George Bush, lies, destroys the truth, while stealing our liberties, and elections. People just don't want to get it when they are wrong. They just want to continue,on and on with their belief system, which is the Iraq War is good, and lord knows, their protecting us from terrorist. When will you people wake up!Diane Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04709680778603784433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-69819331312708614242007-08-24T05:34:00.000-07:002007-08-24T05:34:00.000-07:00Christopher I said...And not to speak of his amoro...Christopher I said...<BR/><BR/><EM>And not to speak of his amorous liaisons with gangsters molls, and all of that. </EM><BR/><BR/>Boys will be boys. One would have thought the GOP were as pure as the driven snow. More likely, they just couldn't get laid. No wonder all GOPPERS seem to be Bohemian Grove perverts these days.<BR/><BR/><EM>Was JFK’s Bay of Pigs fiasco any less foolish than George Bush’s Iraq fiasco? After all, the Cubans were expected to be dancing in the streets on being liberated from Castro, just as Iraqis were expected to, when rid of Saddam. And how can we be so sure JFK, had he lived, wouldn’t have got the US as mired in Vietnam as did LBJ?</EM> <BR/><BR/>The Bay of Pigs was the source of CIA ire aimed directly at JFK. They hated him. Bush Sr was known to have been involved in the CIA at that time. He is also photographed just outside the Texas School Depository on the morning of JFK's murder. <BR/><BR/>JFK said two things that got him murdered: 1) that he would smash the CIA into a thousand pieces. 2) he would abolish the oil depletion allowance. <BR/><BR/>The CIA and powerful oil barons, exemplified by Clint Murchison and H.L. Hunt, both of Dallas, come together in the person of one Nixon protege: George H.W. Bush, who would later, as US Envoy to China establish the foundations of our nation's current balance of trade deficit with China and, secondly, partner with the oil companies to exploit the resources of the Middle East. <BR/><BR/><EM>It’s raw and malleable material for a script-writer.</EM><BR/><BR/>Indeed, the movies "Executive Action" and "JFK" were both very, very good. But the big picture has yet to emerge.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04598093941551759917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19580203.post-27325793665286628412007-08-24T02:37:00.000-07:002007-08-24T02:37:00.000-07:00After reading Matthew Stevenson’s elegantly writte...After reading Matthew Stevenson’s elegantly written review of “Brothers”, I’m left with no alternative but to shell out $30 dollars from my very modest resources to acquire the book, which sounds like a veritable page-turner. <BR/><BR/>To all of us above a certain age, the assassination of JFK is seared in our minds as unforgettably as its memory of the branding-iron is in the mind of a calf. When we heard the news, we remember where we were and what we were doing as if it were yesterday.<BR/><BR/>Cut down as he was in the full bloom of his youthful vitality, we look back at JFK through rose-tinted spectacles. So we forget that, despite everything we admired about him - his style, decisiveness, political courage, cosmopolitanism, eloquence, erudition, and sharp wit, he was, being human after all, flawed and reckless. <BR/><BR/>We don’t like to remind ourselves that JFK, for all intents and purposes, seems not to have written “Profiles in Courage” for which he was awarded the Pulitzer Prize; and that instead of being court-martialled for incompetently causing his highly manouevrable PT boat in the war-time Pacific to be sliced in half by a Japanese destroyer (the only PT boat throughout the entire war to have suffered this fate) he was awarded a medal. And not to speak of his amorous liaisons with gangsters molls, and all of that. <BR/><BR/>And the question should be asked: Was JFK’s Bay of Pigs fiasco any less foolish than George Bush’s Iraq fiasco? After all, the Cubans were expected to be dancing in the streets on being liberated from Castro, just as Iraqis were expected to, when rid of Saddam. And how can we be so sure JFK, had he lived, wouldn’t have got the US as mired in Vietnam as did LBJ? <BR/><BR/>As for JFK’s assassination, the only thing we know for sure is that we’ll never know all of what happened on that November day. <BR/><BR/>Had he been allowed to grow old, JFK would today be 90 years old. What would he have said about George Bush, and about George Bush’s America? <BR/><BR/>It’s raw and malleable material for a script-writer.Christopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02378087326571746733noreply@blogger.com