Bush Losing Conservative Support, Faces "historical obliteration"

The Free Republic advertises itself as a forum for a "grassroots" conservative movement. As such, it has been the source for much odious GOP, conservative ideology and propaganda. These are folk who still believe Saddam planned 911, even though Bush himself blamed al Qaeda. But when contributors to Free Republic start using words like "historical obliteration", Bush's hard core should pay attention.

TheHill | July 11, 2007 | Dick Morris

Are they traitors or prophets, these Republicans who have jumped ship and called for Bush to begin pulling out of Iraq

Sens. George Voinovich (Ohio), Richard Lugar (Ind.), John Warner (Va.), and Pete Domenici (N.M.)? More likely the latter. A look at the political map and the electoral calendar tells us that GOP Sens. Arlen Specter (Pa.), Norm Coleman (Minn.), Olympia Snowe (Maine), Susan Collins (Maine), Chuck Hagel (Neb.), Lindsey Graham (S.C.) and Gordon Smith (Ore.) are probably not far behind them............."

If you haven’t been counting, that comes to 11 Republican defections —enough to force a vote even if the Dems lose Joe Lieberman (Conn.). A veto override? Add in the likes of marginal-state GOP senators like John Thune (S.D.), Kit Bond (Mo.), John Ensign (Nev.), Chuck Grassley (Iowa) and a handful of others and it’s possible. Retiring Sen. Wayne Allard (R-Colo.) might just do his party a favor on his way out.

The Republican senators are coming to realize that Bush needs to begin to pull out to save his party, even if it puts Iraq at risk. With the president’s favorability down to 29 percent in the USA Today poll, and 26 percent in Newsweek, the party leaders are coming to realize that they are not planning to join Bush in retirement — at least not yet — and that unless he begins the pullout, the GOP cannot hold on to the White House.

--Bush will have to pull out of Iraq, or face historical obliteration

And here --a soupcon of conservative disillusionment.

Bush is the biggest problem of all. He doesn’t look or sound like he’s in charge. The American people can sense a vacuum of leadership. I stuck up for Bush for many years on this, but my gut tells me there will be some juicy books written about this period that reveal how much influence Cheney had over this process.

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The tide has turned-big time. Ask the troops on the ground. There are marine units whose biggest problem now is boredom!...

Testy, are we?

I'm also worried about the next generation.

Yeah right. That's why you wanna hightail it out of the very place that Al Qaeda has identified as the central front in their war against us.

And the following I post with my refutations:

The long term ramifications for the World’s major powers are too great to just shove the Middle East aside. Oil is the life line of ours and their economies.

Therefore, we must suppose, it's OK to commit mass murder and steal the oil. More evidence in support of my thesis: "conservatism" is a mental illness. In theological terms: it is evil.

The War was never about winning but about prevention.

Indeed, it was. The "prevention" of peace.

Even if the Dems win they will have problems withdrawing from the Middle East.

Conservatives will then blame Democrats for Bush's war. Democrats, meanwhile, would be better off supporting the worldwide movement to bring Bush and his conservative co-conspirators to justice for war crimes.

The issue that you should look at is how the war is being fought. Up until now the war and the politics were handled very poorly. It appears that some real progress is being made.

Indeed, there has been "progress". The civilian "kill count" is over one million and counting. Conservatives call this "progress".

Bush has not really explained what is going on and how it affects our true interests( or a very poor job of it).

There is a rational explanation. The man who read "three Shakespeares"in one weekend cannot put two words together meaningfully.

Islam is a religion of the sword that could easily dominate the whole region- they have done it before so they believe they can do it again.

Nevermind that it is their region. If Islam is the religion of the sword, then Christianity must surely be the religion of the nuke. Is there a difference? Perhaps, the body count.

It sounds so cool to cut and run.

A contradiction in terms. Nothing said by a "conservative" sounds cool. Still --cutting and running is preferable to staying, stealing and murdering.

If America fails who will be there to pick up the pieces( China, Russia, India)?

America is falling and the pieces are being picked up as we write. Thanks to the conservative idiots who were suckered by Bush.

Here's a gem:

Our politicians pulled out of Viet Nam and Cambodia and didn’t have to answer for it because the horror was not in your face 24 hours a day.

When we pull out of Iraq, it will be.

The horror of it is in our faces 24 hours a day now! But, I suppose that not having horror in your face makes it OK but only if you are of the "conservative" persuasion. The bottom line: even when conservatives are ocassionally correct, it is for wrong and immoral reasons.

Additional resources

• Buzzflash: Army too stretched if Iraq buildup lasts
• Iraq: Has America lost the will to win?
• Rolling Stone: Getting Out of Iraq
• Bush Administration Has Been Using Illegal Wiretapping and Spying Activity for Political Purposes. Doubt It?
• Stan Goff: Out of Iraq Now
• A Letter to the US Peace Movement

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