Bush has put forward a theory so stupid and so full of holes that I am amazed that anyone believes it. Is this what is meant by the dumbing down of America?Am I pissed! You bet I am! I am pissed at the murdering bastards who destroyed my country. But I am even more pissed at a nation of spoiled, self-absorbed sheeple who let them get away with it.
There is probable cause now to begin a real investigation of 911 which was, the last time I checked, a crime that was NEVER investigated. The 911 Commission doesn't count because it doesn't count for much.
Specifically, there is probable cause to investigate the charge that the controlled demolition of the World Trade Center towers in New York were "pulled off" with the knowledge and/or cooperation of the man who was in charge of WTC security --Marvin Bush, brother of the man who now claims to be "President" of the United States.
Since the events of 911, the Bush administration has put forward a "conspiracy theory" to explain the tragic events of that day. The burden of proof is upon those who espouse the "official conspiracy theories" to prove or support them with evidence. The dictum is: those who assert must prove.
Instead, the Bush administration has not only failed to support an outrageous "conspiracy theory" it has put forward 1) numerous contradictory statements, 2) statements easily proven false, and 3) reckless and meaningless statements about the nature of terrorism, statements incapable of being proven true or false.
Additionally, Bush has worked overtly to stymie all efforts to investigate those tragic events. Some have called it an active cover-up. The Bush administration has had ample opportunity to fully investigate the events of 911 but has not merely failed, it has refused to do so. A sop to critics and public opinion, the so-called 911 Commission report is not worth mentioning. That Henry Kissinger was initially appointed to chair the commission destroyed the commission's credibility, independence, objectivity and competence at the outset.
The perpetrators of mass murder in New York have counted on a lazy, biased and increasingly compromised mass media. What the mass murderers have not counted on were new developments that have literally created a series of credible investigations by numerous distinguished experts. So much is available now that the most difficult decision is where does one begin. Begin we must. Over the next several weeks, this blog will "indict" the conspirators who perpetrated the crime of mass murder upon the American people for political purposes. We will not seek a "conviction". We will establish probable cause of the guilt of individuals which we will name. And we will demand that a Grand Jury be convened for the purpose of considering the evidence and returning criminal indictments against the accused.
Put yourself in the position of Grand Jurors tasked with determining whether or not indictments should be returned in this case. Listen to the following presentations from that standpoint.
The Existentialist Cowboy
Conservative Lies
Indict Bush
Why Conservatives Hate America
GOP Crime Syndicate
Bush
Spread the word:
24 comments:
EC,
Expect to get thrashed as a 'conspiracy theorist'. There is a ton more evidence out there suggesting that it was an inside job. I salute you for taking the principled stance on an issue that is unpopular even in the liberal blogosphere.
There's no "conspiracy" tag necessary liberal journal man.
People can dispute how the WTC buildings fell down. Or whether they got the names of the hijackers right. But there is one thing we can all be very clear about: 9/11 was not carried out by 19 sole hijackers acting under the direction of Osama bin Laden. We know this because the leading US investigator officially appointed to examine 9/11 has said explicitly that other people were involved.
A senior US Government official has admitted that a foreign nation has been identified as complicit in the events of 911.
Senator Bob Graham, Head of the 911 Joint Congressional Inquiry from Feb - Dec 2002, was interviewed on the PBS Lehrer Hour in 2002:
"I was surprised at the evidence that there were foreign governments involved in facilitating the activities of at least some of the terrorists in the United States.... I think there is very compelling evidence that at least some of the terrorists were assisted not just in financing -- although that was part of it -- by a sovereign foreign government ... It will become public at some point when it's turned over to the archives, but that's 20 or 30 years from now." (link) (link)
The implications of this claim are quite profound. It means that the 19 hijackers were not operating in isolation. There was a support base, and others - beside the 19 terrorists - who were aware of the impending attacks.
Since considerable evidence clearly points to Saudi and Pakistan involvement there is a strong case for reopening the 911 investigations. It also calls into question the whole War on Terror program which refuses to acknowledge that our supposed "allies" are financing and training our "enemies". The US Congress held hearings in June 2006 that explored the sources of funding for Islamic terrorism. It was headed by Senators Jon Kyl and Chuck Schumer. The FBI's assistant director for Counterterrorism called Saudi Arabia the very "epicenter" of terror funding. He confirmed explicitly that such funding included al Qaeda. These are our suposed allies in the war on terror. The US almost certainly knows the names of people assisting al Qaeda in this way, but refuses to prosecute them.
Those are facts not "conspiracy". These are strange times when verifiable facts must be driven from public discourse.
...and yes, Len does deserve praise for taking a principled stand on this issue. If the government is not accountable to the people then it doesn't matter how many flags you wave you don't have democracy.
Damien, this time I do not agree with you completely. Yes, it is possible that other foreign governments were involved, but I find it interesting that head of security was, George Bushs, brother. That says so much to me.
Also, who benefited, from this attack. George Bush, was behind in the polls, everybody knew he wasn't elected. O.K. now lets look at what they did with this attack, well they started the War. in Iraq. Feeding on all the fears Americans felt, after the 9-11 attack.
Why, they wanted the OIL, yes the OIL, and who benefited, of course George Bush and the Bush Family.
Another thing that could have taken it down, was tactical nuke. This would have the energy to bring the building down. Also, this would explain the residual heat which remained at ground zero, for up to two months after the initial event.
The investigation was only a dog and pony show.
Fuzzflash sez...
Great work, Len and Damien. There's more than enough evidence to get elements of the MSM(Olberman,Colbert, Stewart maybe) on board to demand a full and open judicial enquiry. Nothing will happen, of course, while BushCo are in power.
Diane, you suggest:
"Another thing that could have taken it down, was tactical nuke. This would have the energy to bring the building down."
Mate, if a tactical nuke was involved a lot of those who got a dusting in the aftermath would be glowing in the dark by now, and every Geiger-counter on Manhatten would have gone off in unison like a nest of rambunctious rattlers.
I believe there is probable cause for a grand jury investigation.
I suppose Thermite charges could've done the job, but two whole months of heat radiation at ground zero,is a little hard to fathom. Normally you would expect the heat to dissipate within a couple of weeks.
You don't have to take my word for this rather then someone I know who has over 27 years experience in the field of engineering.
liberal journal man said...
Expect to get thrashed as a 'conspiracy theorist'.
I've been called worse. All are "conspiracy theorists". Especially Bushies! It's the "official conspiracy theory" that makes no sense.
Do a Findlaw law search. You will find hundreds, if not thousands, of laws and court decisions having to do with conspiracies. That's an impressive body of work and a lot of effort spent on something that does not exist! Shall we buy tin hats for all the Justices of the Supreme Court, the Federal Judiciary, the State Courts, the members of Congress, and law enforcement officers at every level of government? In fact, almost nothing of significance ever gets done by individuals working alone. For anything more than simple tasks, it takes a team, if not a village. If it's legal it's called a partnership or a corporation. If it's illegal it's called a conspiracy.
One plane might have been a renegade pilot. But FOUR planes is a conspiracy.
damien said...
There's no "conspiracy" tag necessary liberal journal man.
Good one, damien. In fact, all theories of 911 are conspiracy theories. And of them, the "official conspiracy theory" is the most outrageous, the one with the most holes, absurdities and violations of Occam's Razor.
A senior US Government official has admitted that a foreign nation has been identified as complicit in the events of 911.
Lemme guess ---it was either Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. Or both?? It is outrageous that this information will not be made public for another 30 years.
whig said...
I believe there is probable cause for a grand jury investigation.
All we need is ONE Federal Judge. A fed judge can convene a Grand Jury upon his/her own motion.
Diane B said...
I suppose Thermite charges could've done the job, but two whole months of heat radiation at ground zero,is a little hard to fathom. Normally you would expect the heat to dissipate within a couple of weeks.
I have no position on Thermite or Thermate, having concentrated on the many holes in the official conspiracy theory. But you raise a good point. I would like to know what the conspirators used. That knowledge might help track down the "real killers".
Fuzzflash sez...
Great work, Len and Damien. There's more than enough evidence to get elements of the MSM(Olberman,Colbert, Stewart maybe) on board to demand a full and open judicial enquiry. Nothing will happen, of course, while BushCo are in power.
Indeed, Fuzz, Damien, who has been at this assiduously, has the big picture. I am specifically interested in his comment:
Since considerable evidence clearly points to Saudi and Pakistan involvement there is a strong case for reopening the 911 investigations. It also calls into question the whole War on Terror program which refuses to acknowledge that our supposed "allies" are financing and training our "enemies".
Gore Vidal fingered Pakistan early in his "The Enemy Within". Secondly, our involvement with Saudi Arabia has always been troubling to me. Saudi Arabia was in Bush Sr's court when both Bush and the Saudi royals were upset with Saddam Hussein over the prince of oil. See April Glaspie's Interview With Saddam Hussein.
Saddam, as I recall, invaded Kuwait believing that he had just gotten a green light. In fact, Bush Sr and the Saudi Royals opposed Hussein's policy with regard to the price of oil. That was the real issue at the time and it was still the issue when Bush Jr decided to attack and invade Iraq. Saudi Royals who were flown out of the US in a series of flights at a time when all other flights were grounded are most certainly hip deep in the conspiracy.
Saudis were heavily involved in the Leviathan-like BCCI scandal with numerous Bush associates, most prominently James Bath.
In 1979, Bush's first business, Arbusto Energy, obtained financing from James Bath, a Houstonian and close family friend. One of many investors, Bath gave Bush $ 50,000 for a 5 percent stake in Arbusto. At the time, Bath was the sole US business representative for Salem bin Laden, head of the wealthy Saudi Arabian family and a brother [of] Osama bin Laden. ... When Salem bin Laden died in 1988, powerful Saudi Arabian banker and BCCI principal Khalid bin Mahfouz inherited his interests in Houston. Bath ran a business for bin Mahfouz in Houston and joined a partnership with bin Mahfouz and Gaith Pharaon, BCCI's frontman in Houston's Main Bank. --Tracking Bin Laden's Money
Bin Mahfouz built a billion dollar home in Houston's exclusive River Oaks. Marble was flown in from Carrara. There are billions to be made killing folk, fomenting war and terrorism, scramming investors who want to get rich quick. Bush is not just a mass murderer, he was then and remains a con-man. The key to understanding the events of 911 is BCCI.
I had not wanted to get off into this Octupus of a story. But, perhaps, the time has come.
Len, here's a little more to consider about a tactical nuke hypothesis, it would take quite seriously tons of the thermite/thermate compounds to accomplish the job we saw on 9-11. The World Trade Center Medical Monitoring Program is detecting an increase of blood and lymphatic cancers in the 9-11 rescue worker population which they feel is highly unusual. From the CBS news link below "Dr. Robin Herbert, co-director of the World Trade Center Medical Monitoring Program at Mount Sinai Medical Center, said researchers who have screened 20,000 of the estimated 40,000 ground zero workers are 'most concerned' about lymphatic and blood cancer cases."
While some of the rescue team have experienced severe respiratory illness, these cancers(blood and lymphatic) bare the signature of radiation exposure.
consider radiation poisoning:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_poisoning#Acute_.28short-term.29_vs_chronic_.28long-term.29_effects
note from the above link the statement:
Longer term exposure to radiation, at doses less than that which produces serious radiation sickness, can induce cancer as cell-cycle genes are mutated. If a cancer is radiation-induced, then the disease, the speed at which the condition advances, the prognosis, the degree of pain, and every other feature of the disease are not functions of the radiation dose to which the sufferer is exposed.
the increase in cancer for 9-11 rescue workers:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/31/health/main2872809.shtml
I don't have a position on thermite or thermate. What I want is a complete and thorough investigation..but, alas, it may be too late for that.
Whoever shot JFK got away with it simply because it was never properly investigated.
Justice may be rare, just an illusion encouraged by "power" to keep us all pacified.
The US labor movement is rife with stories about how strikers, hoping to better their lot or feed a family were brutalized or murdered.
My own ancestors, Native Americans, were tracked down and murdered by other ancestors of Scots-Irish descent. Growing up, I never knew who to root for --the cowboys or the Indians.
Chinese immigrants were practically enslaved to work on the railroad. There is a long list of injustices and atrocities.
I could go on...but you get the drift.
I wish I were wrong --but justice probably doesn't exist in the US. There were some gains but Bush has robbed us even of them.
Len, your right whoever shot, JFK got away with it, and we may never know, what happened on 9-11. I do know, this has to stop or our Country will not survive, as a Nation.
As a nation were going to have some very stark choices, in the next few years. This economy, is like a house of cards, and we're near the point of collapsing. Soon, we may be struggling, just to feed ourselves as a people. The majority of our food products, appliances, vitamin, etc, etc, comes from somewhere else made by someone other than Americans. We owe these others, 4 trillion dollars. Soon, they are going to stop selling us products. Then what? We have no manufacturing base left, in our Country. We're a country at continuous war. I say we have major problems ahead of us. I wonder if we can even survive as a Nation, or do we even want to.
FuzzFlash sez...
It's taken a long time, but a majority of lawmakers are responding to the threat of electoral oblivion by "going to mattresses", duly cognizant of the reality that the vast majority of Americans(~70%) have had a gutfull of BushCo and their bullshit Oil War.
"Gee, Harry, Nancy, I think the punters are mightily pissed."
"Why, shoot! Ah thank yer right. Better look as if we're doin' somethin' abaht it."
Meanwhile, back on the Hill in front of the cameras.....
"Workmen prepare to set up sleeping cots in a room off the Senate Chamber on Capitol Hill in Washington, Tuesday, July 17, 2007, as the Senate prepared for an all night session to debate the war in Iraq. (AP Photo/Dennis Cook)"
Five years on,
up to a million people dead,
and millions more maimed
and displaced,
a 2006 election where GOP lost the Senate and House,
a batallion of bent lobbyists,
the MIC engorged with funds gouged from a somnabulant citizenry,
and the jelly-back motherfuckers who "represent" us,
have deciced,
at the end of the day,
in the fullness of time,
going forward,
that a "bit of a show" might be in order.
Ain't Democracy grand.
Dianne, I have seen the claims about nuclear explosions at the WTC and I don't think they stand up. I think Fuzzflash is right about the radiation levels. The cancer deaths following 911 can easily be explained. The WTC was stuffed with carcinogenic materials and they had been earmarked for either dismantling or a multi-billion dollar refit by health authorities - another reason to question why Silverstein would take out a 99 year lease on a couple of lemons. In many ways it doesn't really matter what brought the buildings down. The key features are that the FEMA and NIST inquiries don't meet independent scientific standards and that significant evidence discrepancies exist. The data would need to be available to other researchers to have credibility (link).
Dianne, I forgot to mention... al Qaeda planning for 9/11 went back at least two years (Jan 2000). It was not a quick operation put up by Bush to improve his poll numbers. French Intelligence had fully penetrated the leadership of al Qaeda and had taped their plans to hijack aircraft even down to the specific carriers: United and American Airlines. They passed the info to the CIA Paris station chief and the CIA assessed this as a hijacking threat within Europe, not the US.
Also, jihadist plans to bring down the WTC towers goes as far back as 1989 (Sayyid Nosair, of the New York MAK group). There was the 1993 WTC bombing, of course. And another jihadist (Ahmed Refai) stole WTC blueprints out of the NY Fire Dept dumpster(!) in 1993. He was a close confidante of Blind Sheikh, Omar Abdel Rahman, who was convicted for attempting to blow up the Lincoln and Holland tunnels.
So, 911 was a long time in the planning. The evidence is that many people knew it was coming: al Qaeda, elements of the Intelligence services of Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Russia, Egypt, France, Germany, Morocco. Also criminal elements involved in illegal drugs and arms trafficking with links to US intelligence also knew. Different people knew different aspects but the conclusion is quite clear: many more people knew what was coming on 9/11 than is publicly admitted. And it was a long time in the planning.
Len, you're right about BCCI and the long-standing Saudi links going back to Bush Snr and his CIA work with the Saudis. Of course, the BCCI principals went on with their business under different means. And Bush's CIA tenure should have kept him out of the WH. No question there is a "CIA within the CIA" as Indira Singh put it. You know about the Pakistan stuff, so here's a few links on Saudi Arabia: (1 2 3 4 5). I'm sorry I can't spell out the case in detail here (I've got to post some articles on them at my site). Prince Bandar's wife was giving money to an Islamic charity that was funding two of the 911 hijackers. And Craig Unger has an interesting article at Vanity Fair that has disappeared about a Saudi arrested in Afghanistan who pointed to a Saudi official as having prior knowledge of the 9/11 attacks. I'll post it later.
Seymour Hersh has a fantastic article out about the shifting US allegiances from Shiaa to Sunni. The groundwork is being laid for a full Shiaa-Sunni war across the Middle East (even if the neocons don't know what they're actually unleashing, or don't care). Cheers.
Diane B said...
The majority of our food products, appliances, vitamin, etc, etc, comes from somewhere else made by someone other than Americans.
Right wing policy choices are behind what I call the "hollowing out" of the US economy, Diane. Most of it has to do with the fact that if you factor out of the US budget outgoing Social Security payments --as it was intended when it was set up --what is left is a federal budget dominated by defense spending. Some 90 percent of our "real" budget is spent on what is euphemistically called "defense". Clearly --the economy that had been the envy of the industrialized world no longer produces significant amounts of steel; Detroit, once a major city, would be swallowed up in a place like London or Paris, more so in Shanghai; and our electronics are imported from Japan.
The process was begun under Nixon who took the US off the "Gold Standard". It was most certainly hastened by Ronald Reagan --possibly the first "globalist".
The right wing, the business establishment had a fire sale of America's productive capacity. Globalization advocates were not concerned about whether or not we could compete. We might have but that was never their objective. These "corporate globalists" are not interested in competing; they were in it for the quick books. Having gutted our economy, the Military/Industrial complex is now content with this fact: our number one export now is death!
My good friend Matthew Stevenson is not only a well-known travel author, he is a financial professional and published author on the subject. Here is a link to my review of his review of a terrific book on America's impending financial crisis at America's "Indebted Prosperity"
I will say this: either America figures out a way to get rid of Bush or the nation will collapse. Even Rome fell.
I will be addressing this issue in a new article.
The Rethuglicans were opposed to any investigation because it would have demonstrated that they were incompetent and failed to protect the United States when they had the chance. This would tear apart the basic frame of Rethuglican versus Democrat in which the Rethuglicans are the "daddies" who can protect we poor children while the Democrats are the "mommies" and are weak and emotional and not capable of protecting the family and weilding the "tough love" that the Rethuglicans like so much.
It's why they have been careful not to have another "event" yet.
They will save that for late October 2007 when it looks like the polls have the Rethuglicans down by 65% to 35% and they become concerned that they will not be able to steal the votes without arousing the sleeping, lazy, and self-absorbed American public from their sports, religion, television, and/or drug-induced sleep.
Ooops...
October 2008 will be the big "event" that will kill GWB (making him a martyr in the history books, rather than the "Worst President Ever") and be Mr. Cheney's reason for postponing the elections of 2008 and declaring a "Presidential State of Emergency."
Please note, that the Rethuglican candidate for President will immediately declare that they are "OK" with that and that anybody who is opposed to this necessary action is obviously "in league with the terrorists" and needs to be locked up in a "camp" somewhere right away.
"But I am even more pissed at a nation of spoiled, self-absorbed sheeple who let them get away with it."
You're far from the first person to express that sentiment.
"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." -- Plato
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." -- Martin Luther King, Jr.
"In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends." -- Martin Luther King
The all-time classic expression:
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." -- Edmund Burke
And my personal favourite:
"A society of sheep will in time beget a government of wolves." -- Bertrand de Juvenal
We have seen how the neocon conspirators of PNAC exploited there predestined (and probably planned) "second Pearl Harbor" to energize the masses. What cataclysmic event will it take for them to realize that the real danger is from their own governmnent? It is the Bush Cheney cabal, aided and abetted by the FOX "news"/CNN/NYPost propaganda machine that has lobotomized the people with fear.
"Neither a man nor a crowd nor a nation can be trusted to act humanely or to think sanely under the influence of a great fear" -- Bertrand Russell
Sadbuttrue,
That is a FINE collection of excellent quotes. Lately, I have encountered "defeatists" to whom Burke must surely have directed that beautifully crafted single sentence:
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
How appropriate all of these "quotes" are today.
Thank you for posting them.
Sad, just read "your" quotes to Madame Flash. She said she likes the dudes I hang out with here. Chez moi, there is no finer compliment than to be "Spouse Approved". Congrats.
Pathetic, so now its Pakistan that did 9/11. No wonder why we believe that US has never been an ally and will never be a true ally of any country not only Pak. Pakistan should improve its ties with Russian and China, because unlike US they arent frauds.
A country that had lost wars against India had attacked US. Man, admit it It was you your Govt who made u fools on that day, took ur tax money and found an excuse to attack Afghanistan and Iraq.
I dont give a shit to what has happened but what i feel sorry for is for people of Afghanistan and Iraq. A/c to some estimates more than 750,000 ! people have been slaughthered till the invasion. I feel so sorry for them. When i think abt mothers who have lost their children, women who have lost their husbands, men who have lost their brothers and sisters.
Still US and the so-called Free world boasts abt its freedom and human rights. Guess we live in an animal kingdom and after all MIGHT is RIGHT
NAB said...
Pathetic, so now its Pakistan that did 9/11. No wonder why we believe that US has never been an ally and will never be a true ally of any country ...
That appears to be the case. The US doesn't engage in diplomacy. It simply blackmails and bullies. I'm sick of it. I am sure other nations are as well.
I like to go abroad...but I miss being able to hold my head up high.
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