Saturday, August 23, 2008

High Treason: 'Pentagon Lied to the 911 Commission' ; Bush's Theory Falls Apart

911 Commission co-chairs claim that they were misled, perhaps deliberately, by the Bush administration and Pentagon brass. Because 911 was an act of mass murder overtly covered up by the Bush administration, the many lies by Bush amount to more than mere obstructions of justice or cover ups. They amount to high treason --a mechanism by which this administration seized power unconstitutionally. Holes in Bush's theories are holes in Bush's theories. Lack of evidence in support of Bush does not refute his critics who point them out. Bush's many lies and overt efforts to obstruct justice, it is hoped, will bring about the 'controlled demolition' of this illegal and illegitimate regime.
Instead of making a big scene and dropping a bombshell so-to-speak, the commission ‘compromised’ and deferred to the justice department so that it could pursue criminal investigations.
Some staff members and commissioners of the Sept. 11 panel concluded that the Pentagon’s initial story of how it reacted to the 2001 terrorist attacks may have been part of a deliberate effort to mislead the commission and the public rather than a reflection of the fog of events on that day, according to sources involved in the debate.
Suspicion of wrongdoing ran so deep that the 10-member commission, in a secret meeting at the end of its tenure in summer 2004, debated referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation, according to several commission sources. Staff members and some commissioners thought that e-mails and other evidence provided enough probable cause to believe that military and aviation officials violated the law by making false statements to Congress and to the commission, hoping to hide the bungled response to the hijackings, these sources said.
9/11 Panel Suspected Deception by Pentagon
As we are all well aware, criminal charges were never made and it looks like interest in pursuing ‘justice’ wasn’t a top priority for the Department of Justice.
The panel agreed to a compromise, turning over the allegations to the inspectors general for the Defense and Transportation departments, who can make criminal referrals if they believe they are warranted, officials said.
“We to this day don’t know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us,” said Thomas H. Kean, the former New Jersey Republican governor who led the commission. “It was just so far from the truth. . . . It’s one of those loose ends that never got tied.”
Liberals have been shouting the Bush Administration for some time now. In fact, the hatred for our administration is so strong that Republicans had to concoct rhetoric in order to deal with the anger. “BDS” short for Bush Derangement Syndrome is all that the GOP die-hards could come up with to combat the allegations of impropriety and lawlessness that best characterizes President Bush and his administration of bandits.
--Did the Pentagon Lie To 9/11 Commission?
I recently posted NTSB data indicating that Flight 77 never dropped below 273 feet after take off and could not, therefore, have crashed into the Pentagon! Damien followed up with NTSB data contradicting every Bush administration statement with regard to Flight 93, another mysterious crash characterized by the lack of airliner wreckage. [See: NTSB Filght Data: Official 'Explanation' of Flight 93 is a Criminal Fraud!; NTSB Flight Data: Flight 77 Could Not Have Crashed into the Pentagon]
Pilots for 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals and pilots throughout the globe who have gathered together for one purpose. We are committed to seeking the truth surrounding the events of the 11th of September 2001. Our main focus concentrates on the four flights, maneuvers performed and the reported pilots. We do not offer theory or point blame at this point in time. However, we are focused on determining the truth of that fateful day based on solid data and facts -- since 9/11/2001 is the catalyst for many of the events shaping our world today -- and the United States Government doesn't seem to be very forthcoming with answers or facts.

Pilots for 911 Truth
Now, Damien, a regular contributor to this blog, has put together an exhaustive survey of equally disturbing holes in the official theories concerning Flight 93 which we have been expected to believe crashed in PA. Following is Damien's report --a damning critique and proof that the Bush cabal cover stories about Flight 93 are simply impossible and violate the recently discussed "Occam's Razor' by raising infinitely more questions than Bush's theories have been able to explain .Simply --any theory that raises more questions than it explains may be discarded.

The FBI released the following footage, apparently an effort to put to rest 'outlandish' conclusions based upon NTSB flight data indicating that Flight 77 NEVER reached an altitude less than 273 feet since its first ascent upon take-off! Now --keep in mind that this FBI footage is supposed to put to rest those 'outlandish conspiracy theories' that Bush warned us about. Please keep in mind that this video is not intended to create even more 'outlandish conspiracy theories', though, I am sure that had been the result. Therefore, after watching the following video, please resist the urge to call up the FBI while yelling FRAUD, FRAUD, FRAUD!!!

The video was requested by Flight77.info, a group seeking 911 information that the government has been withholding. A statement from the group notes that the 'video does not ...show the plane in flight.'

I would venture to say that Flight 77 is not visible in the video because it was not video taped 'crashing into the Pentagon. A corollary: it was not video taped crashing into the Pentagon because it never crashed into the Pentagon. My assertion not merely a challenge to the Bush administration to put up or shut, it is consistent with "official" flight 77 data released to Pilotsfor911truth in response to their FOIA request. That makes it official. If you have a problem with the data, then take it up with the NTSB. Given the context that "official" flight data indicates that Flight 77 was at the time of this "fire ball" at an altitude of some 273 feet above the Pentagon, one is justified in demanding that the Bush administration release every photograph that was made of the Pentagon from every security camera on September 11, 2001. Of thousands that were surely taken, only two --a grainy, blurring GIF and the worse 'video' posted in this article have been released. Why is that? What does Bush continue to cover up? Guilt?

It was some time ago that the self-anointed skeptic, Michael Shermer, made a gullible false analogy, comparing those who are skeptical of Bush's absurd theory with "Holocaust Deniers" --"911 Deniers", he called us/them! The analogy is bullshit and betrays Shermer's gullibility and subverts his carefully nurtured image as a 'skeptic'.

My following remark is addressed to Michael Shermer directly: Michael, skeptics do not become cheerleaders for bullshit theories for which there is not a shred of evidence --hard or soft! Secondly, your analogy breaks down. Holocaust deniers deny abundant evidence, much of which was entered into 'evidence' at the war crimes trial of Nazi brass at Nuremberg. In the case of 911, there is, in fact, no credible evidence to deny! There is no comparable documentation! There is no logical or empirical support of Bush whatsoever! What has surfaced --an official autopsy report of Pentagon dead and, most recently, flight data (NTSB) from Flights 77 and 93 all but destroy Bush's ever changing official theories of 911.

One of the most damning critiques Bush's official theory comes from, Heather Thomas, author of Trophies: A Novel:
There was no fuselage at the Pentagon. There was none that you could check out. They said it vaporized, and yet they produced bodies saying that they didn't vaporize. You can vaporize a two-ton engine?

--Author, Trophies
Thomas is absolutely correct. It's hard to imagine fires hot enough to vaporize the hard steel engines of a 757. In fact, steel is used for airliner engines precisely because it will not melt or --worse --completely vaporize in a kerosene fire. Last time, I checked flight was still possible! If Bush were correct, it would not be! Engines for jet aircraft are still made of STEEL because steel will not melt by a kerosene combustion which, by the way, takes place under high pressure. That's how engines work and they would not work if they melted at kerosene fire temperatures. If you can still buy a ticket at Newark and fly to Los Angeles, Bush is a liar.

Thomas saw though this gaping hole while pompous network poohbahs, 'commentators, and pundits got suckered (or paid off) into believing and propagating the pernicious and evil myth that you can burn kerosene inside a 757 engine but the same aircraft will vaporize completely in a kerosene fire!
Initially, Bush defenders denied the presence of 'molten steel' at WTC. Later, when it was clear that 'molten steel' was absolutely necessary to support their mumbo jumbo, their superstition that both towers collapsed into their own footprints due to fire damage, they embraced molten steel. It was the only way to get the steel to melt. The story had to sound credible. For these people --sounding plausible is more important than truth.

Later, when it was made abundantly clear, that never in recorded history has a kerosene fire melted steel, the story was changed yet again. The 'steel' was only 'weakened to the point of collapse, we were told. But what point is that? It doesn't matter because the Bush liars were trying to have it both ways again. The new cover story did not explain: 1) professional firefighter testimony that molten steel was in fact observed; 2) it does not explain video tapes of what can only be molten steel; 3) it does not explain video tapes of molten steel flowing down the sides of still un-collapsed towers!The cat --the verified presence of molten steel --was already out of the bag.

It was time for another cover story, another PR offensive. Bush defenders --in yet another version --cried foul. This time they took aim at 911 first responders. Firefighters, they said, mistook molten aluminum for molten steel, an insult to working, professional firefighters whose testimony would most certainly be considered 'expert' in any courtroom. I rather think that the testimony of professional firefighers with regard to what they saw is infinitely more credible than that of a flack somewhere on K-street or inside the White House --a din of iniquity if there ever was one.

Thus Bush defenders were caught trying to paper over yet another glaring hole in Bush's official lie with yet another version designed to plug up holes in the dike. Even if it were true, there is no evidence in support of a 'new' theory that heat from melting aluminum is sufficient to melt over 100 stories of steel cladding, steel reinforced walls, a tightly woven steel core --the existence of which officials tried to hide!

The 911 Commission, for example, failed to mention that in the towers of the WTC was a very densely re-enforced steel core. As far as the 911 Commission report is concerned, the 'core' just didn't exist. This is a pathetic picture of murderers, liars and felons desperately trying to come up with a credible cover story ---but, alas, too late!

Most recently, NIST has come up with still another 'version' intended to paper over the myriad of flaws and bullshit to be found in the official narratives. They have invented an entirely new phenomenon -- 'heat expansion' --to explain what is best explained with just two words: controlled demolition! What is the term 'heat expansion' supposed to mean in this context. If you heat the air in a balloon, it expands and the ballon rises. The liars at the NIST have failed to demonstrate the relevance of hot air balloons to WTC --an instance of undeniable controlled demolition. The building in question is, of course, WTC 7 said by Silverstein himself to have been pulled! I suggest the paid liars at NIST go take a hot air balloon ride. Hot air carried aloft by hot air. Poetic justice.
Silverstein Properties (collected large insurance payout due to the attacks of 911) was one of the contracters NIST depended on to get to the truth in the investigation. Look at the NIST report here on page vii for contributors to the investigation. Talk about the fox guarding the henhouse. Can you say "conflict of interest?" And how about all of NIST's precious recommendations for future building safety?
--What Really Happened: Surprise!! NIST concludes fire dropped WTC7 at free-fall into its own footprint
It looked like a controlled demolition because it was a controlled demolition. Re-writing the laws of physics is not allowed! Neocons may break and ignore the laws of this nation and the international treaties to which we are bound, but not even Bush nor his evil minions may violate with impunity the laws of nature and physics.

Clearly --WTC had been wired for a controlled demolition perhaps months before 911. The motive is a matter of public record: "the verdict in U.S. District Court in Manhattan was the latest twist in Mr. Silverstein's efforts to turn his $3.5 billion insurance policy on the trade center complex into a $7 billion payout."

Here are some lessons in 'skepticism' for Michael Shermer who fell for and swallowed as gospel an absurd and outlandish theory. THOSE WHO ASSERT MUST PROVE. Shermer would have us ignore this important and prudent dictum. Bush and his partisans put forward --asserted --a "theory", an "official conspiracy theory" for which there is not a shred of hard evidence or established physical science in support --let alone a proof. Shermer's magazine is called "The Skeptic". Since Shermer's amazing display of credulousness and naivete, haven't been able to read 'The Skeptic' with a straight face.

The burden of proof is on Bush and the dwindling number of rats, many of whom are jumping ship. Let's start with the co-chairs of the 911 Commission. Both have now dis-avowed their own work. They don't even believe it and claimed that they were misled by Bush and the Pentagon! They are not alone in that belief. Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) was a Pentagon eye-witness. She is a former member of the staff of the Director of the National Security Agency. As a contributing author to the 2006 book 9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out, she wrote:
I believe the [9/11] Commission failed to deeply examine the topic at hand, failed to apply scientific rigor to its assessment of events leading up to and including 9/11, failed to produce a believable and unbiased summary of what happened, failed to fully examine why it happened, and even failed to include a set of unanswered questions for future research.

It is as a scientist that I have the most trouble with the official government conspiracy theory, mainly because it does not satisfy the rules of probability or physics. The collapses of the World Trade Center buildings clearly violate the laws of probability and physics.
--Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret), Twenty-five U.S. Military Officers Challenge Official Account of 9/11.

Kwiatkowski one in a long and growing list of equally intelligent, qualified, expert and articulate folk many of whom have literally driven a stake through the heart of Bush's evil and treasonous lie. I might have picked her quote at random from among the throng which now makes up a growing chorus demanding that the crime of 911 be investigated and the perpetrators brought to trial and justice. You won't have any trouble finding other outraged and patriotic Americans who will speak out against tyranny. It is a growing chorus of true skeptics who will tell you that Bush's official conspiracy theory is a black hearted lie.
(CBS) President Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday to voice his opposition to establishing a special commission to probe how the government dealt with terror warnings before Sept. 11.
Mr. Bush said the matter should be dealt with by congressional intelligence committees.
CBS News Correspondent Bill Plante reports that Mr. Bush said the investigation should be confined to Congress because it deals with sensitive information that could reveal sources and methods of intelligence. Therefore, he said, the congressional investigation is "the best place" to probe the events leading up to the terrorist attacks.
--CBS News: Bush Opposes 9/11 Query Panel
Over my long career in broadcasting and journalism, I have never seen a 'leader' --elected, appointed or otherwise --who did not oppose, obstruct, or, in other ways, interfere with investigations into their own regimes. In every instance, the obstruction is motivated by the desire to cover up crimes, destroy evidence, or, most generally, obscure the truth. I am confident that, in every instance, these activities are done not to protect the innocent. Rather, the crime of obstruction of justice, the cover up of crimes in general, is done to protect the guilty!

Bush's excesses in office stem from the powers he assumed upon the pretext of 911. They include but are not limited to his numerous abrogations of the US Constitution, the Bill of Rights and habeas corpus, his assumption of dictatorial powers as evinced by his many 'signing statements', in fact, his rule by decree. It is all right out of Adolph Hitler's play book. Until these crucial issues having to do with the very legitimacy of our government are addressed, the current election campaign is eyewash. I am waiting for Barack Obama to address the issue of nothing less than the legitimacy of this government.

Flight77.info says that it is trying to secure the release of about 80 videos that are related to the Pentagon crash. The liars in DC most certainly have better footage but will never release it. It will confirm even more convincingly that Flight 77 NEVER struck the Pentagon. DC will not willingly and of its own accord release information or evidence that will prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that an airliner did not crash into the Pentagon.

An administration capable of crashing a missile into its own Pentagon with a careless, murderous disregard for human life is likewise capable of lying about the falls of the Twin Towers and WTC 7; it is capable of lying about WMD, it is capable of waging war upon the people of the United States itself. The waging of war against the people by the people's own government is called high treason and traditionally, it requires the death penalty. King Charles I of England was beheaded for less egregious crimes than those which may now be charged to Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice and very other co-conspirator inside the White House.

It would appear that the FBI is up to its ass in the cover up of 911. I suggest that the cover up of high treason is high treason. Congress should empower a special prosecutor to investigate Bush, the FBI, the Pentagon and the JD. The American people are left little choice but to effect not merely regime change but a sweeping purge, nothing less than the creation of a new government. A new broom sweeps clean! We may yet round up a enough traitors to fill up a football stadium.
This essential update from Goon Squad blogger and pilot --Greg Bacon:
Another aspect of this to consider is called the Wing in Ground effect or WIG.

WIG holds that large aircraft and a 757 is definitely large, can't fly close to the ground because of all of the turbulence created by the aircraft's wings.

A pilot would not be able to control a large aircraft flying that close to the ground, the turbulence kicked up by the wings would be hellish.

The jet would either have to land or gain altitude, it CAN NOT fly that close to the ground, its physically impossible.

Of course, they could just make up a new term for this new twisting of the laws of physics, just like they made up a new term for the collapse of WTC, calling this new term "thermal expansion."

Which, if you watched the NIST briefing /charade on the WTC collapse, is a term just for WTC 7, since it hadn't happened before and may not happen again.

And their explanation of just one beam causing the whole damned building to collapse is laughable.

Look at the pics of WTC 6, which sustained damage from falling debris from WTC 1 or 2.

That building got nearly sawed in half by debris, yet it was still standing at the end of the day.

Is anybody at home in America?

Can we wake up before its too late?
--Greg Bacon, Pilot, Goon Squad
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12 comments:

Greg Bacon said...

Another aspect of this to consider is called the Wing in Ground effect or WIG.

WIG holds that large aircraft and a 757 is definitely large, can't fly close to the ground because of all of the turbulence created by the aircraft's wings.

A pilot would not be able to control a large aircraft flying that close to the ground, the turbulence kicked up by the wings would be hellish.

The jet would either have to land or gain altitude, it CAN NOT fly that close to the ground, its physically impossible.

Of course, they could just make up a new term for this new twisting of the laws of physics, just like they made up a new term for the collapse of WTC, calling this new term "thermal expansion."

Which, if you watched the NIST briefing /charade on the WTC collapse, is a term just for WTC 7, since it hadn't happened before and may not happen again.

And their explanation of just one beam causing the whole damned building to collapse is laughable.

Look at the pics of WTC 6, which sustained damage from falling debris from WTC 1 or 2.

That building got nearly sawed in half by debris, yet it was still standing at the end of the day.

Is anybody at home in America?

Can we wake up before its too late?

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Len Hart said...

Greg Bacon said...

wing in Ground effect or WIG. WIG holds that large aircraft and a 757 is definitely large, can't fly close to the ground because of all of the turbulence created by the aircraft's wings.

But Bush and Bushy are not constrained by the laws of physics, indeed, any natural law or phenomenon that contrains ordinary mortals. The UNIVERSE will accomodate Bush instant by instant and what is true NOW will change in a minute IN ORDER TO MAKE BUSH LOOK good. That's the load of bullshit that Bush would have us believe.

I am really fuckin' sick of these guys and even more so ---the way these arrogant assholes think.

I also loath asswipes who are really stupid but somehow attained power, perhaps by suckin off a higher up. We are dealing with really STUPID and really EVIL people here.

A pilot would not be able to control a large aircraft flying that close to the ground, the turbulence kicked up by the wings would be hellish.

Indeed! Greg, your comments are so good on this point --would you object if I blockquote them and included them in the main article body? With a link of course!

Greg Bacon said...

Len, feel free to use anything i post on your excellent site anyway you see fit.

gb

Bob Hodgen said...

As a transport pilot with over 15 thousand hours your description of WIG is wrong. Drag is reduced when a wing is close to the ground, that's all. Lots of large aircraft do low altitude flybys at airshows. The Russians designed large aircraft designed to fly entirely in ground effect.

Here's a link of video of lots of large aircraft doing low altitude flyby's: http://www.madskies.com/208/pass-compilation-no1/ about one minute ten seconds into the video is an Airbus A-300 so low it almost scrapes an engine.

I know the official explanation of 911 is wrong, but about 90% of the stuff from the 911 truth movement is BS.

peace,

PHred42 said...

Re: Flight 77

It's obvious that the hole left in the Pentagon could not have been made by a 757. What ever it was was much smaller.

The thing nagging at me is: What happened to the passengers and crew of the real Flight 77? Were they fictitious? Were they "disappeared" and now dead? Are they in a FEMA camp or rendition camp somewhere?

Did they exist, and where are they now?

Len Hart said...

Did they exist, and where are they now?

Bodies were autopsied and 'said' to have been from the Pentagon. Check my archives. I've written extensively on that point.

I have published the 'official' autopsy list and there is--IN FACT --NO arab names on it. The list was released to Dr. Olmstead in response to his FOIA request!

BTW ---a 'flight manifest' (merely a head count done on board ) is NOT admissible evidence. But an official coroner's report is.

All of these questions would have been explained fully had the 'official theory' been truthful.

That they are seemingly 'inexplicably' merely proves Bush a liar.

I am not Sherlock Holmes and offer no solutions! I will, however, raise this issue in SUPPORT for my DEMAND that 1) Bush release every photograph of whatever it was that struck the Pentagon, and 2) that a federal grand jury be convened that will subpoena and demand the testimony (under oath, of course ) of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, et al.

At last, the dictum in law and debate is: THOSE WHO ASSERT MUST PROVE! Bush asserted --but instead of proving, he covered up and obstructed. Obstruction is active --not passive. As such, I believe his active cover up is evidence of his complicity in the act of mass murder.

There is probable cause now to induct Bush in connection with 911. It would be my hope that the fate of those said to have been on baord Flight 77 be learned.

There is, in fact, no hard evidence that Flight 77 was even in the air that day.

Len Hart said...

Bob Hodgen said...

As a transport pilot with over 15 thousand hours your description of WIG is wrong. Drag is reduced when a wing is close to the ground, that's all. Lots of large aircraft do low altitude flybys at airshows.

That may not be the only problem, however. In a previous article, I cited the flight data released by the NTSB in response to an FOIA request by Pilots for 911 truth.org. Most troublesome was the fact that in order for Flight 77 to have struck the Pentagon at all, an incredible maneuver would have been performed. That is the flight (a 757 we're told) would have had about one half a second to descend from an altitude of 273 feet to within about 15 feet AND level off!! Now --I've never piloted any aircraft but I gotta tell you, I cannot imagine anyone being able to pull that off. That being the case, the debate about whether or not a 757 could have 'scooted' across the Pristine Pentagon lawn seems moot.

damien said...

I know the official explanation of 911 is wrong, but about 90% of the stuff from the 911 truth movement is BS. -- Really? I find that very hard to believe. So which parts are BS, Bob Hodgen? The official government explanations regarding ALL the aircraft and ALL the collapsed buildings on 911 are scientific bunkum. The official explanations for the failure of NORAD to stop the attacks and the failure of the Intelligence agencies to identify the hijackers early on ALL have major holes in them and are simply incredible. So I'm intrigued that 90% of the stuff from the 911 truth movement is BS. It seems to me that the only people making sense are the 911 critics. Read 70 Reasons to Doubt and explain the Flight Data Recorder anomalies for both Fl 77 and Fl93 and I might believe you. You might also like to throw in some sensible explanations as to how tiny Hani Hanjour was able to overpower tough navy pilot Charles Burlingame and take Fl 77 into a 270 degree spiral descending thousands of feet in just a few minutes while only three weeks before he was refused permission to hire a Cessna because he couldn't fly it and had been knocked back from multiple flight schools as an incompetent pilot!

While you're at it, how does a plane that's 124 feet wide fit into a hole 75 feet wide? BS, indeed!

damien said...

Now we find that, in response to an FOI request, the FBI has been unable to find ANY official 911 documents identifying the allegedly hijacked aircraft:

.... a search of the CRS was conducted using the following subjects: "Airline Debris," "Debris Identification," "Commercial Aircraft," "Aircraft Identification," "Aircraft Debris," "Aircraft Wreckage," "Aircraft," "Recovered Debris," "National Transportation and Safety Bureau," "National Transportation Safety Board," "NTSB," "American Airlines," "American Airlines Flight," "American Airlines Flight Eleven," "American Airlines Flight Number 11," "American Airlines Flight 77," "N334AA," "N612UA," "N644AA," "N591UA," "Flight 175," "Flight 11," "Flight 77," "Flight 93," "Identifying Aircraft Parts," "Factual Report Aviation," "Federal Aviation Administration," "Pentbomb," "Ground Zero," "Freshkills Landfill," and "Fresh Kills Landfill."

Despite this extensive and detailed search effort, RlDS has been unable to locate any FBI records responsive to plaintiffs request.


Gimmee a break! As one commenter put it:

Basically, the FBI has stated in court documents that no proper criminal investigation was conducted. Nice, this is a get-out-jail card for anyone prosecuted for any crimes related to the Pentagon attack. Short of direct forensic evidence or a confession, no "terrorist" will be convicted.

When the murder weapon "airplane" is in the sole custody of the FBI and the FBI fails to identify it when it is easily identifable, the law will presume that the actual murder weapon is not what the prosecution alledges it is ie "one of the 4 highjacked planes".

I can not fathom that the non-identication of the plane parts was by oversight. It is mandatory that a criminal instrument be identified not only for NTSB purposes but for criminal prosecution purposes. Insurance, tort and criminal proceedings all need to prove the fact of what EXACTLY hit the Pentagon.

One can not understate that failure to identify the murder weapon is so routine and instrumental in any criminal prosecution, that failure to do so can only be motivated by a desire of the FBI and its bosses to prevent any criminal prosecution, especially their own!

Bob Hodgen said...

I still stand by my statement that about 90% of the info the 911 truth movement puts forth is wrong like your statements about wing in ground effect.

A lot of it causes the truth movement to lose credibility in the public's eye. It'is like arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin and misses the point. Meanwhile the culprits are laughing at us.

What's important is who did it, and who benefited by it the most?

peace

Len Hart said...

Bob Hodgen said...

I still stand by my statement that about 90% of the info the 911 truth movement puts forth is wrong like your statements about wing in ground effect.

I don't speak for other pilots with regard to the 'wing in ground'. The issue as I see it is not so much just flying across the lawn --it's GETTING there that is problematic.

I'm not a pilot --but I have taken had some university level physics and math. I think that moving some 100 tons of airliner from an altitude of 273 feet to a mere 15 feet WHILST leveling off is a bit much to expect of any aircraft in a matter of one half to no more than two seconds.

I wouldn't even want to be on such a plane ---let alone try to fly it under those conditions.

Besides --the latest information (which is on my latest post as of this AM) is that the FBI 'admits' that there is no real evidence that ANY of the said flights crashed as has been alleged. That info is in an official response of the FBI to an FOIA request.

Bottom line: the FBI just ASSUMED that all the said flight were in the air and crashed as Bushies had said they did.

I have long maintained that there was not a SHRED of evidence in support of the official conspiracy theory. I am very nearly perfectly vindicated by the FBI's memo.

As I see it --there is NO excuse NOT to indict GWB for mass murder.