Saturday, November 28, 2009

Limbaugh Commits Prosecutable Treason

by Len Hart, The Existentialist Cowboy

Rush Limbaugh has urged that a military coup overthrow the current government in Washington. That is a prosecutable crime called 'seditious treason' and there is probable cause to indict Rush Limbaugh and put him on trial.
Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government;or Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof - Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction. If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

As used in this section, the terms "organizes" and "organize", with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units
of such society, group, or assembly of persons.
--18 U.S.C. § 2385 : US Code - Section 2385: Advocating overthrow of Government
Sedition refers to any overt conduct deemed by the legal authority as encouraging or supporting an insurrection against the established law and order. Limbaugh has advocated military insurrection, that the United States Military Academy detain and/or other wise 'arrest' Barack Obama, the legal and fairly elected President of the United States. Limbaugh is on record supporting a military coup. Given the price of 'air time' his support is material! It is an open and shut case of sedition.
Limbaugh's remarks should be placed in context --his record of bigotry, hate, and demagoguery. It has poisoned political debate, exploited the abandonment of the 'Fairness Doctrine' which previously guaranteed access to opposing views.
Limbaugh has made similar remarks before. Speaking of the Honduran coup Rush had this to say: "The coup was what many of you wish would happen here, without the military"; and, "If we had any good luck, Honduras would send some people here and help us get our government back".
Recently Newsmax columnist John L. Perry was disgraced and humiliated after making a similar suggestion. Newsmax immediately removed the column and distanced their publication from any affiliation with Perry.
Unfair and unbalanced, both Fox and Limbaugh have exploited positions of privilege. The fact is: media access is denied every one but the very, very, very rich and the very, very, very privileged. This will only change when an indictment for treason makes the point very clear to the right wing: with freedom of speech comes responsibility and there is, in fact, no freedom of speech in a nation that has denied that right to everyone but an increasingly tiny elite that is rich enough to own Clear Channel or FOX! Freedom of speech in America? Sure --but only if you happen to be rich!

Also see: Politics or sedition?, Rush Limbaugh calls for military coup

Following are some of the comments this article got on facebook:
Patricia Mangan
When is everyone going to say Enough is Enough?
Yesterday at 10:57pm · Delete

Patricia Mangan
He is sickening!
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David Richland
This prick needs to be thrown in jail. The fact that he walks free after spouting this treason is not just offensive - it hurts the credibility of the government. If someone had said this during the Bush administration they would have gone right to jail, no questions asked... and Bush would have been within his rights to incarcerate them. This kind of talk is just going to escalate until all traitors are held accountable.
Yesterday at 11:56pm · Delete

Ronald E Carson
What David said!!
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Madison Bradshaw
Rush never fails to amaze me. He constantly raises the bar for stupidity and also is truly an enemy of our country when he starts spouting out a call for a military coup. Absolutely, ditto what David said. NO ONE could get away with that if spoken during the Bush years even though he truly became guilty - and while in office - of committing ... See Morecrimes against humanity. Will we ever see justice done to Bush and his followers who are the cause of so many deaths - for a LIE! Then there's the issue about practically destroying our country economically, the list goes on. And the right - full of certified crazy ideas - get away with vocalizing this kind of spin. Joke? He may make it seem like he's joking - we know it's a subliminal message to agitate people in the hope of his sick ramblings becoming a reality.
11 hours ago · Delete

Billy Regan
I second time to prosecute Limbaugh. Put the sorry B
in jail and throw the key away. He needs to grab his
ears & snatch his head out of his A. How can who ever
he works for keep supporting him?
11 hours ago · Delete

Patricia Mangan
They all try to out do themselves by their stupidity and their hate!
7 hours ago 

22 comments:

Tom said...

This country was built on sedition and Treason by the same people we now call our "Founding Fathers"

You all take Limbaugh to serious - he's a entertainer and will do what he has to to gain ratings and to move people to listen to him...

Same wording applys to him as I apply to WWE - 'for entertainment purposes only'

Unknown said...

TomK sez...

This country was built on sedition and Treason by the same people we now call our "Founding Fathers"

And had they been BUSTED, they would have HANGED! Read some history. Read some law!

You all take Limbaugh to serious - he's a entertainer and will do what he has to to gain ratings and to move people to listen to him...

So --you're saying that ASS CLOWNS are above the law?????

Same wording applys to him as I apply to WWE - 'for entertainment purposes only'

You analogy SUCKS! Howz about I remove your brain in front of perverts who get off on watching that sort of thing and tell the judge that I was just providing a little neihborhood entertainment.

If this is the best defense Limbaugh has, then HE IS SORELY FUCKED!

I suggest you read up a bit before you post sophomoric bullshit on this blog. Less politely, FUCK OFF!

Unknown said...

An observation re: the previous post.

The GOP (and Limbaugh) subjected this nation to absurd histrionics re: Bill Clinton who got a blowjob.

You would have thought a blow job was high treason! Fact is, the GOP had NOTHING IMPEACHABLE on Clinton, let alone a case of high treason.

They had ZIP, NADA, ZILCH!

Ken Starr spent some 60 MILLION BUCKS of tax payer money in a DESPERATE SEARCH for ANYTHING that could have been pinned on Clinton.

AGAIN ZIP, NADA, ZILCH!

In the meantime, BIG MEDIA pelted us with hand wringing about the 'rule of law'! My ass!

Then Bush seizes the White House and, in effect, tells us that the RULE OF LAW is DEAD! The Constitution, he said, was just a 'goddamned piece of paper'!

Now --we have an IDIOT who dares tell this blog that the rule of law does not apply to Limbaugh because he hung out a sign that says: "....for entertainment purposes only"!

TomK is clearly a product of the Texas school system which TRAILS the nation in high school graduations. He's the 'child' that Bush left behind!

Well, I am hanging out my own sign that reads: LIMBAUGH IS A TRAITOR!

Now --unlike blow jobs --being a TRAITOR used to be a hanging offense. Limbaugh should be GRATEFUL to liberals who moderated the death penalty for it.

Unknown said...

Another point: don't bother posting here if you have NOT bothered to read the article!

Anonymous said...

Hey there, cowboy:

Myself, I'd looked into the sedition statutes back some southern representative was coming pretty close to inciting a crowd to murder Nancy Pelosi. Apparently these statutes have been hardly ever used (not once since the 1950s, if I recall), and for good reason; prosecutors believe that, as written, they are likely to be found unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. Effectively, the United States has no law against sedition, because the current one is so extremely broad and vague.

Now, I agree that the current climate is sorta insane down there in the United States. And that Rush Limbaugh's expressed hope that the cadets at West Point will somehow arrest the president does prove that, anything else aside, he never swore any oath to serve and protect the Constitution of the United States. And that there's a small but real chance of all hell breaking loose. And I even agree that you should call it like you see it, and denounce his seditious and irresponsible call for impressionable young men to commit treason against their country. For that matter, hell, tell the world that you think he ought to be prosecuted.

However don't feel too let down if such a prosecution never materializes. Besides the politics of it, there are genuine and pragmatic reasons for Federal prosecutors to give the laws against sedition as wide a berth as possible.

I'm an American citizen, by the way, if you figure that might make what I'm saying more valid somehow.

MarkH said...

Investigate? Ditto.
Prosecute? Ditto.
Convict? Ditto.
Jail? Ditto.

The same for those who enabled him?
Ditto.

Justice for those who call for violence and overthrow of the Government and Law & Order is that they be removed from the civil society and placed somewhere they can't hurt those of us who have chosen to uphold and participate in this Society.

Is it Political to do this? No, it's just upholding the Law.

Unknown said...

Anonymous said...

Apparently these statutes have been hardly ever used (not once since the 1950s, if I recall), and for good reason; prosecutors believe that, as written, they are likely to be found unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.

Whether or not they were used or not used at some other time by someone else for whatever fuckin reasson or not is TOTALLY irrelevant. If it's ON THE BOOKS, it's the fuckin law.

Guess what: it's on the books! And Rush's violation of it is ESPECIALLY repugnant and prosecutable. I will happily volunteer my services to the prosecution of both LIMBAUGH and Bush.

Another point: the SORRY ASS state of the nation may be attributed to the NEGLECT of LAW AND ORDER to which you refer!

Anonymous said...

However don't feel too let down if such a prosecution never materializes

Do you think I'm a mewbie who is easily discouraged? If so, you are a newbie to this blog.

Besides the politics of it, there are genuine and pragmatic reasons for Federal prosecutors to give the laws against sedition as wide a berth as possible.

Bullshit! Limbaugh and his ilk have been screaming about LAW AND ORDER since I was in knee pants.

HYPOCRITES!

Limbaugh IS guilty of treason and if he is NOT prosecuted then we are all given license to OBEY the laws we like and FLOUT the laws we don't!

If that's the best you've got, shut up!

Mr. Natural said...

FUCK those ignorant goddamned wingnuts, (Limbaugh, Palin, Beck et-fucking-cetera) every fucking ONE of em! Couple years ago, there were two earnest young republicans going around door to door trying to drum up votes. I sent those assholes away with the fear of GOD in em! I am a liberal who is liberally armed, so watch the fuck out.

Great post - blogged back a link to you!

Unknown said...

Mr Natural sez...

FUCK those ignorant goddamned wingnuts, (Limbaugh, Palin, Beck et-fucking-cetera) every fucking ONE of em! Couple years ago, there were two earnest young republicans going around door to door trying to drum up votes. I sent those assholes away with the fear of GOD in em! I am a liberal who is liberally armed, so watch the fuck out.

BRAVO, Mr Natural! BRAVO!!!! !!

And as our friend the Rude Pundit said earlier:

FUCK THE SOUTH!

"Fuck the South. Fuck 'em. We should have let them go when they wanted to leave. But no, we had to kill half a million people so they'd stay part of our special Union. Fighting for the right to keep slaves - yeah, those are states we want to keep.

And now what do we get? We're the fucking Arrogant Northeast Liberal Elite? How about this for arrogant: the South is the Real America? The Authentic America. Really?

Cause we fucking founded this country, assholes. Those Founding Fathers you keep going on and on about? All that bullshit about what you think they meant by the Second Amendment giving you the right to keep your assault weapons in the glove compartment because you didn't bother to read the first half of the fucking sentence? Who do you think those wig-wearing lacy-shirt sporting revolutionaries were? They were fucking blue-staters, dickhead. Boston? Philadelphia? New York? Hello? Think there might be a reason all the fucking monuments are up here in our backyard?

No, No. Get the fuck out. We're not letting you visit the Liberty Bell and fucking Plymouth Rock anymore until you get over your real American selves and start respecting those other nine amendments. Who do you think those fucking stripes on the flag are for? Nine are for fucking blue states. And it would be 10 if those Vermonters had gotten their fucking Subarus together and broken off from New York a little earlier. Get it? We started this shit, so don't get all uppity about how real you are you Johnny-come-lately "Oooooh I've been a state for almost a hundred years" dickheads.

Fuck off."

DID YOU HEAR THAT, SOUTH!

MILLIONS LIKE ME ARE SICK OF YOUR SHIT!

Fuck off, GET THE HELL OUT!

Secede hell, I SUPPORT THROWING YOUR SORRY FUCKIN, BIGOTED ASSES OUT!

Mr. Natural said...

DIG IT! Len, the Rude one is one of my favorite stops around the intertubes. Those RED state (the real commies?) dipsticks can't even understand that the WHOLE FUCKING IDEA of a NEWNITED STATES OF MERKA was one of the most liberal ideas EVER foisted on the king of England and it fucking PISSED HIM OFF. The Rude One is right about the Vermonters (I am out in Washington state, myself), the book titled THE GREEN MOUNTAIN BOYS is about guerillas in the hills of Vermont, and THOSE BLUE STATE revolutionaries, DID kick some ass.

Keep at it man, it's nice to meet another ally.

Anonymous said...

The US has an explicit mechanism for dealing with presidents (or other high officials) who do things that the public dislike - it's called "an election." Sometimes elections may not happen in a timely fashion.

The US has an explicit mechanism for dealing with presidents (or other high officials in any of the three branches of government) who exceed the limits of their powers - it's called impeachment (and is defined in the Constitution).

The US has an explicit mechanism for dealing with a situation where impeachment fails - it's called revolution (and is defined in the Declaration of Independence).

The thing is, if it's too irgent to wait for elections then you're meant to try impeachment first. Only if impeachment fails is revolution a valid alternative. And if you're going for revolution, you'd better hope you're in the majority.

Unknown said...

Mr. Natural said...

Those RED state (the real commies?) dipsticks can't even understand that the WHOLE FUCKING IDEA of a NEWNITED STATES OF MERKA was one of the most liberal ideas EVER foisted on the king of England and it fucking PISSED HIM OFF.

If the South WON'T SECEDE, we should THROW THEIR FUCKIN ASSES OUT!

millions are sick of their bullshit, their bigotry, their STUPID ASS EVANGELISTS, the red neck riviera! Miami, itself would go belly up, if it were not for New York Jews!

Sorry, South COTTON AIN'T KING anymore and if you wanna know about offshore oil, check out what happened to Texas which beats out EVEN Mississippi for DEAD LAST in high school graduations.

The long and short of it, you WON'T BE MISSED! Get out!

Anonymous said...

The fact is, if the south left the union, they would piss themselves...What? no federal dole!
They would have to face the music... or in other terms, catch up with the progressive adult societies north of Mason-Dixon who made it through the 20th century by embracing labor unions, and other progressive changes that formed during the early part of that era. Instead, the south has always been given a 'pass', enabled if you will by national politics.

We now see how well that all turned out: corruption, failing education, failed economies, rising crime and an over abundance of charlatans, hucksters & demagogues, shaking down the rank & file.

Who knows where this is all heading, but my guess is that there certainly could be a split sometime in the maybe not so distant future. I guess all of us 'left-necks' in the south will have to migrate out west (again)... Careful what you wish for Mr Natural...we'll all be dragging up and heading your way!
(just kidding, although I have lived up yonder once for a few years...very nice...but I will probably head to Chile or some damn where like that, since I did so poorly in Spanish during school days, I find it appealing to go someplace where I do not have a fucking clue what people are saying, for some damn reason )

Another good read at the cowboy, keep exposing the hypocrisy Len, maybe some truth will begin to sink in, if the south wants to save its self, it will have to come from the populace, and right now they seem pretty well misinformed and 'dittoed' out, so to speak. they will never get help from the leadership, certainly not the majority type.

benmerc

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Unknown said...

Interesting point. Nothing would make me happier than Limbaugh getting a taste of his own medicine.

BUT the law has apparently not been tested. If someone tried to actually prosecute someone under this law, it would have to pass constitutional muster. In plain English, if the Supremes get to hear it, they'll laugh it out of court.

Some pissed off guy saying that the military should go in and clean up city hall should not be hauled off to prison. But that's what the law as it stands says.

Unknown said...

benmerc sez...

We now see how well that all turned out: corruption, failing education, failed economies, rising crime and an over abundance of charlatans, hucksters & demagogues, shaking down the rank & file.

You are absolutely correct, benmerc. Some may think me a 'southern boy' but, as a Texan, I can tell you that the culture is completely different --not that either Texas OR the South has 'culture'.

In the South, it was cotton, a product that REQUIRED an evil institution: slavery!

In Texas, it was oil which if it did not require slavery outright, marginalized labor and, like the old south enriched ONLY a tiny percentage of the population. At the same time, oil despoiled the environment and when it became no longer profitable to pump, required an 'oil depletion allowance'. When JFK threatened to RESCIND the oil depletion allowance, he was murdered. In TEXAS!

I can say all this as a Native Texan whose ancestors were there before the carpetbaggers ever discovered it.

If there are any viable industries surviving the GOP regimes of Reagan, Bush Sr and Bush Jr, I am hard pressed to name them.

At last, the the US --the south especially --should GROW UP and face the fact! The GOP sold you down the river, bent you over, screwed you, exploited you, lied to you, and --at last --ROBBED you and enriched the Rockefellers, the Morgans, the Vanderbilts, et al.

This DISEASE has now infected the entire country whose primary exports are DEATH AND DESTRUCTION by way of the Military/Industrial complex.

HEY SOUTH, YOU GOT DUPED, SCREWED AND TATOOED! So --what reason have you to be arrogant shit heads?

damien said...

Len, you're angrier than ever and more power to you and your great cause fought for your country (I'll just stand back not to cop any peripheral flack). More power to you! You're probably on to it already but the latest news is that an examination of the data from the flight data recorder of Flight 77 shows that the cockpit door was NEVER OPEN at any stage during the flight. Somehow the pilots were herded to the back of the plane through a closed door! (Also here). There's also an interesting account emerging of a low flying commercial aircraft several weeks before the Pentagon attack. My guess is this was a simulation run and it was those flight data recorder details that were released to the public, overlooking that the cockpit door was closed throughout. It is totally clear that Flight 77 did not crash at the Pentagon. Cheers.

damien said...

And just another one for your general interest: Barry Obama is a CIA boy, bought and sold:

WMR has obtained additional details on Business International Corporation (BIC), the CIA front company where President Obama spent a year working after graduating from Columbia University in 1983. BIC used journalists as non-official cover (NOC) agents around the world. The firm published weekly and fortnightly newsletters for business executives, including Business International, Business Europe, Business Latin America, and Business Asia.

On February 24, 2009, WMR reported: “For one year, Obama worked as a researcher in BIC’s financial services division where he wrote for two BIC publications, Financing Foreign Operations and Business International Money Report, a weekly newsletter.

An informed source has told WMR that Obama’s tuition debt at Columbia was paid off by BIC. In addition, WMR has learned that when Obama lived in Indonesia with his mother and his adoptive father Lolo Soetoro, the 20-year-old Obama, who was known as ‘Barry Soetoro,’ traveled to Pakistan in 1981 and was hosted by the family of Muhammadmian Soomro, a Pakistani Sindhi who became acting president of Pakistan after the resignation of General Pervez Musharraf on August 18, 2008. WMR was told that the Obama/Soetoro trip to Pakistan, ostensibly to go ‘partridge hunting’ with the Soomros, related to unknown CIA business.


Also here and here.

Unknown said...

damien sez...

the latest news is that an examination of the data from the flight data recorder of Flight 77 shows that the cockpit door was NEVER OPEN at any stage during the flight. Somehow the pilots were herded to the back of the plane through a closed door!

Thanks for putting it on the page, Damien. Indeed, I've been following that but have just not had the time lately to put it into the mix. Clearly --the crash of ANY 757 into the PENTAGON is ABSURD and never fuckin' happened.

The Bush asswipes will continue to try to reverse the burden of proof. I DON'T THINK SO!

My challenge to anyone defending Bush's theory cite the admissible, verifiable, bona fide evidence supporting it, or just SHUT THE FUCK UP and get out of the way.

When Bush is found guilty of 911, HE and his EVERY accomplice should HANG!

Anonymous said...

The Wall Street ,CIA cabal are already ten steps ahead of you. There is no constitution anymore, there is no rule of law. There are no free elections. The majority of Americans don't even know how screwed they are. "Step outa line, they come and take you away." They control everything. There's nothing you can do. If someone becomes too popular and threatens their agenda, he's gone. Poof!

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries." -- David Rockefeller.
"Give me control of a nation's money
and I care not who makes the laws."
Mayer Amschel Rothschild.
It's time to bail!

Anonymous said...

I just read all these posts. It is sad, very sad because the last one is the actual post which does sum up our situation here in a nutshell, I'm afraid to say.

Ben did not get booted and this is our wake-up call that the FED and all the screaming to audit it may be EXACTLY what we got for 911.

Here's my take: The families (Rockefeller and Bush) are the GOP and this was the dictatorship that slyly took America into that "good night" by selling all the greedy on owning the whole world (no new idea about colonialism/empire and in essence cannibalism since the beginning of time).

Clintons, and others who are family relatives (these people stick together, global families of antiquity and "wealth") run the country as a business, theirs'.

Their business owns countries around the world and the families who have the ways and means invest into their countries in the forms of governments who are paid a handsome income to control their livestock (we the people).

I'm sorry to be so horribly cold on this subject, but I see Rush as one of these families' most cherished commodities and he is well paid to keep all the ideas of sedition alive and well simply because it gives us a false sense of power that THEY get to laugh at us for thinking we have.

I find the situation in the US to be so sickening that I can barely find my way through the day anymore.

Keeping the faith is not exactly the most bright star in my pocket full of rockets.

I do not see power here. The courts are powerless to the money and the money (digits of debt) have enslaved the masses to the point of how many "Americans" are there here in this 21st Century without the unalienable rights born with?

That is the only litmus test we need to understand the dire straits we are truly in, the numbers of US who are nothing but a number. Ugly reflection and not improving with the continued confirmation of Big Ben.

Rush is a puke, but Helicopter Ben is in control of the digital debt and this sedition is so glaring we can't get enough Americans to stop it.

www.godsmadmen.com

As you know Len, the Bloomberg reporter who sued the FED had a heart attack.

Anonymous said...

Oh and we should all take note, that the Bloomberg reporter found dead with one of the heart attacks that are also caused by the new dart gun ...

.... ? Dodd, et al. were dutifully informed of their role to reconfirm the man Big Ben via the standard operating procedure for America's true governing shadow.

This power is the state of Israel and how the model is to look for a standardized China-US-et al.

Talk about sedition and treason to our US Constitution!

Let us begin by demanding the dual citizens of Israel obey the US Constitution since there are so many here (Rahm Emanuel, et al.) who run the White House, in reality - just ask his father (Rahm's).

I'm really pissed off too, but not so much at Rush since he does not hold a candle to the power of AIPAC and the ADL, et al.

best, Biloxi Marx